Legislature(2007 - 2008)HOUSE FINANCE 519

03/15/2008 10:00 AM House FINANCE


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10:18:39 AM Start
10:19:07 AM HB311
05:16:12 PM Adjourn
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Department Overviews of FY09 Project
Requests:
Administration - IT/EIB; Transportation
& Public Facilities; Natural Resources;
Environmental Conservation; Commerce,
Community & Economic Development;
Military & Veterans' Affairs; Health &
Social Services; Fish & Game
                   HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                       March 15, 2008                                                                                           
                         10:18 A.M.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  called the  House Finance  Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 10:18:39 AM.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Chenault, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Bill Stoltze, Vice-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Harry Crawford                                                                                                   
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                      
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Representative Mike Kelly                                                                                                       
Representative Bill Thomas Jr.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative John Harris                                                                                                      
Representative Mary Nelson                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Rachel   Petro,    Deputy   Commissioner,    Department   of                                                                    
Administration;  Frank  Richards,   Deputy  Commissioner  of                                                                    
Highways &  Public Facilities, Department  of Transportation                                                                    
and Public  Facilities; Nancy Slagle, Director,  Division of                                                                    
Administrative  Services, Department  of Transportation  and                                                                    
Public      Facilities;       Dennis      Hardy,      Deputy                                                                    
Commissioner/Director of  Marine Operations,  Marine Highway                                                                    
Systems,   Department    of   Transportation    and   Public                                                                    
Facilities;  Leta  Simons,  Director,  Division  of  Support                                                                    
Services,  Department  of  Natural  Resources;  Mike  Maher,                                                                    
Director,  Division of  Administrative Services,  Department                                                                    
of Revenue; Ted Leonard,  Deputy Commissioner, Department of                                                                    
Commerce,   Community  and   Economic  Development;   Samuel                                                                    
Thomas,  Director,  Division   of  Administrative  Services,                                                                    
Department of Commerce,  Community and Economic Development;                                                                    
Jeff  Hoover, Administrative  Services Manager,  Division of                                                                    
Administrative  Services,  Department   of  Fish  and  Game;                                                                    
Charles   Swanton,  Director,   Division   of  Sport   Fish,                                                                    
Department  of  Fish  and Game;  Bill  Griffith,  Facilities                                                                    
Program   Manager,   Division   of  Water,   Department   of                                                                    
Environmental  Conservation;  John   Cramer,  Acting  Deputy                                                                    
Commissioner   &   Director,  Division   of   Administrative                                                                    
Services,  Department  of  Military  and  Veterans  Affairs;                                                                    
Arnold  Liebelt, Facilities  Manager,  Department of  Health                                                                    
and   Social  Services;   Steve  McComb,   Acting  Director,                                                                    
Division  of  Juvenile  Justice, Department  of  Health  and                                                                    
Social  Services; Laura  Baker,  Budget  Chief, Division  of                                                                    
Administrative  Services, Department  of  Health and  Social                                                                    
Services;  Jennifer Klein,  Facilities Manager,  Division of                                                                    
Finance  &  Management  Services,  Facilities  and  Planning                                                                    
Office,  Department of  Health  and  Social Services;  Allie                                                                    
Fitzjarrald,   Acting    Director,   Division    of   Public                                                                    
Assistance, Department of Health and Social Services                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dick Mylius,  Deputy Director, Division  of Mining  Land and                                                                    
Water,  Department  of  Natural Resources;  Rod  Combellick,                                                                    
Deputy  Director,  Division  of Geological  And  Geophysical                                                                    
Surveys,  Department of  Natural Resources;  Chris Degernes,                                                                    
Field Operations, Division of  Parks and Outdoor Recreation,                                                                    
Department  of  Natural  Resources; Tom  Chapple,  Director,                                                                    
Division   of  Air   and   Water   Quality,  Department   of                                                                    
Environmental Conservation;  Steve McComb,  Acting Director,                                                                    
Division  of  Juvenile  Justice, Department  of  Health  and                                                                    
Social Services                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 311    An  Act making  appropriations, including  capital                                                                    
          appropriations, supplemental appropriations, and                                                                      
          appropriations to capitalize funds; and providing                                                                     
          for an effective date.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          HB  311   was  HELD   in  Committee   for  further                                                                    
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          DEPARTMENTS DISCUSSED:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          Department of Administration                                                                                          
          Department    of    Transportation   and    Public                                                                    
          Facilities                                                                                                            
          Department of Natural Resources                                                                                       
          Department of Environmental Conservation                                                                              
          Department of Commerce, Community                                                                                     
               and Economic Development                                                                                         
        Department of Military and Veterans Affairs                                                                             
          Department of Health and Social Services                                                                              
          Department of Fish and Game                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Hb311#                                                                                                                          
HOUSE BILL NO. 311                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     An   Act  making   appropriations,  including   capital                                                                    
     appropriations,   supplemental    appropriations,   and                                                                    
     appropriations to  capitalize funds; and  providing for                                                                    
     an effective date.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
(NOTE: FTR was down for first minutes of meeting; Rachel                                                                      
Petro read the following from a statement during that                                                                         
time.)                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
RACHEL   PETRO,    DEPUTY   COMMISSIONER,    DEPARTMENT   OF                                                                    
ADMINISTRATION, read from the publication distributed by                                                                        
the Department.  [Copy on File].                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   • In 2002, the State commissioned a study to develop a                                                                       
     Statewide  Information  Technology   Plan     sometimes                                                                    
     referenced to  as the PTI study  (Pacific Technologies,                                                                    
     Inc.).                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   • In   2003,    the   Department    of   Administration's                                                                    
     "Information Technology Group" was  asked to develop an                                                                    
     enterprise  implementation  strategy  building  on  the                                                                    
     2002 Statewide Information Technology Plan.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   • In August 2003, a contractor (Unisys) was hired to                                                                         
     develop an  Enterprise IT  Integration Plan.   The plan                                                                    
     is  often referenced  as the  Unisys Study  and set  in                                                                    
     motion the following items:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        o A departmental IT planning process;                                                                                   
        o Establishment of the Enterprise IT Governance                                                                         
          Model;                                                                                                                
        o An IT budgeting process;                                                                                              
        o A change in name from the Department of                                                                               
          Administration's "Information Technology Group"                                                                       
          to Enterprise Technology Services (ETS).                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   • Since 2003, the State has been using the basic                                                                             
     governance model  presented in the Unisys  plan and has                                                                    
     made  excellent progress  in  coordinating the  State's                                                                    
     annual IT investment.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   • Governor Palin proposes that investment in IT can                                                                          
     create   efficiencies  within   State  government   and                                                                    
     improve  Alaskan's access  to government  while keeping                                                                    
     the information secure.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   • The handout as prepared by the Department of                                                                               
     Administration   outlines    the   governance   process                                                                    
     currently used:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        o The process begins with departments submitting IT                                                                     
          Plans  and   a  review  by  the   TMC  (Technology                                                                    
          Management Council),  which reviews the  plans for                                                                    
          technical  compliance  with  State  standards  and                                                                    
         alignment with the Enterprise IT mission;                                                                              
        o Department IT plans are then reviewed by the ERT                                                                      
          (Enterprise Review Team) with an eye toward                                                                           
          achieving    efficiencies,   accessibility,    and                                                                    
          security;                                                                                                             
        o Next, the plans are presented to the EIB                                                                              
          (Enterprise Investment Board) for approval; and                                                                       
        o EIB approved projects are then forwarded to                                                                           
          Office of Management and Budget (OMB) for                                                                             
          consideration in budget development.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   • IT projects not approved by the EIB are not considered                                                                     
     for  inclusion  in the  budget.   For  example, in  the                                                                    
     current year,  the EIB approved $73  million dollars in                                                                    
     potential    IT   investments    for    FY09.       The                                                                    
     Administration's initial budget  request included $60.5                                                                    
     million of those requests.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   • In 2007, departments submitted IT plans which were                                                                         
     considered by  the EIB  in November  2008 for  the FY09                                                                    
     budget.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   • In 2008, the IT planning process underwent revisions,                                                                      
     which  better  align  the  planning  process  with  the                                                                    
     development of  the budget as well  as streamlining the                                                                    
     process for individual departments.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:19:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault  advised  that $60  million  dollars  for                                                                    
projects had been  scattered throughout various departmental                                                                    
budgets.   Ms. Petro  affirmed.  Co-Chair  Chenault inquired                                                                    
if that was  the amount that had been  spent during previous                                                                    
years.   Ms.  Petro explained  the amounts,  which had  been                                                                    
approved  over the  past several  years.   Co-Chair Chenault                                                                    
requested more  information on the direction  the plan would                                                                    
take the State.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He asked  if the  $60 million dollars  would be  an on-going                                                                    
technology cost  or was it  anticipated to be  an escalating                                                                    
cost.  Ms. Petro imagined it  to be an ongoing & fluctuating                                                                    
cost.  In FY05, capital  cost funding was nearly $75 million                                                                    
dollars; FY06,  $114 million dollars; FY07  was $110 million                                                                    
dollars; FY08, $106  million dollars and in  FY09, there are                                                                    
projected costs of nearly $119  million dollars in spending.                                                                    
She believed  that there are  costs associated with  IT that                                                                    
are not reflected in the EIB process.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault questioned why  such projects had not been                                                                    
reflected  in  the budget  as  he  understood that  all  the                                                                    
technology  projects  had  been   coordinated.    Ms.  Petro                                                                    
offered  to provide  that information.  She stated  that the                                                                    
process could  be streamlined as  the agencies and  ATS work                                                                    
together.    There  currently  is  a  process  in  place  to                                                                    
guarantee that the departments follow the IT standards.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:23:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault  commented on  the  depth  of the  public                                                                    
process  while  discussing  controversial  issues  regarding                                                                    
funding  requests for  the capital  budget.   He appreciated                                                                    
the Committee's  ability to go  through the budget  in great                                                                    
detail.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Gara    referenced   the    Department   of                                                                    
Administration  proposal  to  upgrade  the  data  encryption                                                                    
process; he  wondered if that  project had been  included in                                                                    
the  proposed  budget.    Ms.  Petro  replied  it  had  been                                                                    
included in the network security portion of HB 65.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara complained  about  a departmental  bill                                                                    
already moving through the process,  while at the same time,                                                                    
charging  a   fiscal  note   for  something   already  being                                                                    
addressed.  Ms. Petro noted that concern.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:26:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
FRANK  RICHARDS, DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER OF  HIGHWAYS &  PUBLIC                                                                    
FACILITIES,   DEPARTMENT   OF  TRANSPORTATION   AND   PUBLIC                                                                    
FACILITIES,   introduced    himself   and    mentioned   the                                                                    
Department's requested projects.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
NANCY   SLAGLE,   DIRECTOR,   DIVISION   OF   ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                    
SERVICES,   DEPARTMENT   OF    TRANSPORTATION   AND   PUBLIC                                                                    
FACILITIES,    addressed     the    Department's    proposed                                                                    
increments/decrements   listed   February  27,   2008,   the                                                                    
Governor's amended proposals.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards referenced the first project:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     AP #30633                                                                                                                  
     Airport Deferred Maintenance                                                                                               
     General Fund 1004                  $1,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The project  will provide  for unaddressed  maintenance that                                                                    
has not  been achieved through using  the existing operating                                                                    
budget.   The dollars would  be spread across all  260 rural                                                                    
airports.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle discussed the following project:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45568                                                                                                                  
     Marine Highway System  Facility Deferred Maintenance                                                                       
     ASLC Bonds                              $565,000                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
She explained  that the request includes  two projects which                                                                    
need  to  be  brought  up  to  Department  of  Environmental                                                                    
Conservation requirements:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   • Fire alarms & suppression systems at Auke Bay and                                                                          
     Skagway; and                                                                                                               
   • Replacement of underground storage tanks at the                                                                            
     terminal in Auke Bay, Skagway, Wrangell, Ketchikan,                                                                        
     Sitka, Petersburg and Hoonah.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker questioned  the referenced  documents                                                                    
and asked  if each  project would be  separate.   Ms. Slagle                                                                    
explained that the Facilities  Deferred Maintenance would be                                                                    
the appropriation  level and  the other  two projects    the                                                                    
Fire  Alarms  and  the Underground  Storage  Tanks  are  the                                                                    
allocations within that appropriation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker indicated  that the accompanying sheet                                                                    
was unclear and asked how  to determine which request was at                                                                    
which level.   Ms. Slagle  pointed out the  reference number                                                                    
on  the  summary listing,  and  that  the AP  indicates  the                                                                    
appropriation   (AP)  level   and  the   AL  indicates   the                                                                    
allocation (AL).                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  recommended that  the Committee  not address                                                                    
allocations  at  the  current scheduled  meeting,  only  the                                                                    
appropriations.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:33:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault  requested  that   the  fund  sources  be                                                                    
identified.   He  understood that  the  Alaska Student  Loan                                                                    
Corporation (ASLC)  funds would  be replaced by  the Capital                                                                    
Investment Fund (CIF) dollars.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #42001                                                                                                                  
     AK Marine Highway System                                                                                                   
          Vessel and Facility Deferred Maintenance                                                                              
     General Fund 1004                  $2,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slagle advised  that the  Department had  received very                                                                    
little funding to address deferred  maintenance needs of the                                                                    
Alaska  Marine  Highway  System (AMHS)  ongoing  vessel  and                                                                    
facility issues.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault mentioned  recoating the  underwater body                                                                    
paint  for  the Aurora;  he  thought  such items  should  be                                                                    
considered when  the vessel  was taken out  of the  water to                                                                    
overhaul.   Ms. Slagle  explained that the  overhaul process                                                                    
does not cover those items  but rather addresses engines and                                                                    
recertification process for the  U.S. Coast Guard.  Co-Chair                                                                    
Chenault  understood that  equipment  maintenance should  be                                                                    
included   during  the   overhaul  process.     Ms.   Slagle                                                                    
reiterated  that it  is  not part  of  the typical  six-week                                                                    
overhaul process.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:38:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  addressed the  inadequate maintenance                                                                    
budget  provided to  the Department.   He  did not  recall a                                                                    
budget turned down for deferred  maintenance over the years.                                                                    
Ms. Slagle  stated that  for several  years, the  monies for                                                                    
capital  budget  had  been  capped  and  that  the  lack  of                                                                    
maintenance dollars  had manifested  in many other  areas of                                                                    
the State.   There has been a combination  of pressures from                                                                    
the   Administration   to   address   on-going   maintenance                                                                    
concerns.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  was  surprised  that  there  was  an                                                                    
inadequate  maintenance budget  provided for  the Department                                                                    
of Transportation and Public Facilities.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:40:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule remembered a  task force about 10 years                                                                    
ago that  looked at all  the deferred maintenance  on state-                                                                    
owned facilities.   He  asked the result  of that  study and                                                                    
questioned  if the  Department  had been  able  to make  any                                                                    
progress  on  it.    Additionally, he  was  curious  if  new                                                                    
infrastructure did include up-keep costs.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards responded that the  task force had identified a                                                                    
significant  amount of  deferred  maintenance issues  within                                                                    
the  Department and  has been  slow to  make progress.   The                                                                    
Department  has also  been using  their  capital budget  for                                                                    
reconstruction and  rehabilitation on the major  highway and                                                                    
airports.    The list  continues  to  grow with  new  assets                                                                    
additions each year.   He reiterated that the  list is large                                                                    
and more funds are essentially needed.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule inquired  if there  was a  needs-based                                                                    
running list.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards clarified  that the Department keeps  a list of                                                                    
top  priority  needs  to be  addressed  through  the  annual                                                                  
appropriations, especially  those used for  safety concerns.                                                                    
In the  last four  years, the  Department has  looked across                                                                    
the   entire   Department    to   determine   those   needs.                                                                    
Additionally, the Alaska Marine  Highway System keeps an on-                                                                    
going list of their needs.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:43:43 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle addressed the next project.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AP #30624                                                                                                                  
     Alaska Marine Highway System                                                                                               
     Vessel and Terminal Overhaul & Rehabilitation                                                                              
     General Fund 1004                  $9,900,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She  noted that  this was  the  annual request  to meet  the                                                                    
overhauling  needs of  fleet  vessels.   It  would meet  the                                                                    
certification  requirements   of  the  American   Bureau  of                                                                    
Shipping and the U.S. Coast Guard standards.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Chenault  questioned   the   relocation  of   the                                                                    
temporary  Auke  Bay  vehicle  maintenance  building.    Ms.                                                                    
Slagle explained  that building  was not intended  to remain                                                                    
in that particular location on a long term bases.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DENNIS   HARDY,  DEPUTY   COMMISSIONER/DIRECTOR  OF   MARINE                                                                    
OPERATIONS,   MARINE   HIGHWAY    SYSTEMS,   DEPARTMENT   OF                                                                    
TRANSPORTATION AND  PUBLIC FACILITIES,  added that  the Auke                                                                    
Bay warehouse  building was  installed a  few years  ago but                                                                    
infringed on  the highway  right-of-way.   It must  be moved                                                                    
out of the way, to another location.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:47:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara asked  why a  right-of-way purpose  was                                                                    
important enough to spend money  on.  Mr. Hardy replied that                                                                    
the intent  was not to  replace the building but  instead to                                                                    
take it down.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards addressed the following component.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     AP #6391                                                                                                                   
     Americans with Disabilities Act Compliance Projects                                                                        
     General Fund 1004                  $500,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  advised that the Department  has approximately                                                                    
700 buildings  that they are responsible  to remove physical                                                                    
barriers for folks with disabilities  per the Americans with                                                                    
Disabilities Act (ADA) compliance needs.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45294                                                                                                                  
     Americans with Disabilities Act Transition Plan Update                                                                     
     General Fund 1004                  $200,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards stated that the  Department had put into place,                                                                    
transitions  plans  for  all  modes  for  ADA  requirements.                                                                    
Those plans need to be  updated.  The requested dollars will                                                                    
be used specifically  for buildings and harbors  that do not                                                                    
have a federal funding source to be used.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:49:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #32534                                                                                                                  
     Capital Improvement Program Equipment Replacement                                                                          
     CIP Receipts                       $1,500,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She stated  that the dollars  would allow the  Department to                                                                    
charge all  capital projects a  certain amount of  money and                                                                    
use that for equipment  through the direct charge allocation                                                                    
plan.    The  Department  can  not  charge  equipment  costs                                                                    
directly to the federal projects.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards moved on:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AP #AMD43010                                                                                                               
     Chignik Lagoon: Airport Safety Improvements                                                                                
     General Fund 1004                  $4,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  stated that the  project stems  from utilizing                                                                    
funds  that Legislature  allocated  last year  for life  and                                                                    
safety on the  rural airports.  He explained  the reason for                                                                    
using General Funds rather than  federal funds.  The Chignik                                                                    
Lagoon  was one  of the  Departments highest  airport safety                                                                    
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:52:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  referenced Page  8, removing  the ferry                                                                    
terminal  warehouse in  Juneau  and asked  how  much of  the                                                                    
appropriation would  be used for tearing  down the facility.                                                                    
Ms. Slagle was not sure the  portion but offered to find out                                                                    
that information.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara questioned if  the request would be more                                                                    
of a  financial justification.   He asked  the justification                                                                    
for spending  that kind  of money.     Representative Thomas                                                                    
agreed with that query.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thomas  referenced  the Chignik  Lagoon  and                                                                    
asked if  the community  was in  opposition to  the project.                                                                    
Mr.  Richards  replied  that  there  is  opposition  to  the                                                                    
environmental process  of the relocation of  the airport out                                                                    
into the  Lagoon.  The Lagoon  is a rich fisheries  area, so                                                                    
there has been  concern about replacing that  amount of fill                                                                    
and the impact to the fisheries.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Thomas  asked how  those concerns  were being                                                                    
addressed.   Mr. Richards stated  that the  proposed project                                                                    
wants to leave the airport  right where it is, improving the                                                                    
surface and adding some length yet making it safer.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze interjected that  he was "bothered  about                                                                    
the facility being torn down.   He questioned if it would be                                                                    
a safety  encroachment.  Mr.  Richards offered to  look into                                                                    
that.  Co-Chair Meyer requested  the Department to email the                                                                    
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:56:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule  asked if  the Chignik runway  would be                                                                    
lit.  Mr. Richards did not  think so; it is a very difficult                                                                    
location, which  he could not  imagine the terrain  could be                                                                    
approached at night.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards continued:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     AP #39907                                                                                                                  
     Coffman Cove Maintenance Station                                                                                           
     AK Cap Inc 1197                         $980,000                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Richards explained  that the  funding  would allow  the                                                                    
maintenance station to be built on Prince of Wales Island.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #42968                                                                                                                  
     Community Harbor Def. Maintenance & Transfer Program                                                                       
     General Fund 1004                  $2,580,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The State has been divesting  ownership of several ports and                                                                    
harbors   over   the   past  few   years   and   encouraging                                                                    
municipalities   to  take   over  the   ownership.     Three                                                                    
communities  have  obliged.     The  requested  funds  would                                                                    
provide  for the  deferred maintenance  necessary for  those                                                                    
communities to take over ownership of the facilities.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  understood  that  the  authority  to                                                                    
transfer  harbors   [2002-2003],  there  had  been   a  bond                                                                    
proposition to use to fund such  projects.  He asked why the                                                                    
request  was before  the Committee.    Ms. Slagle  responded                                                                    
that the harbors  listed had not been included  in that bond                                                                    
package.   Representative  Hawker wanted  to know  about the                                                                    
monies remaining  in the bond  package.  Ms.  Slagle advised                                                                    
that  there  had  been legislation  passed  last  year  that                                                                    
allowed  the extension  for  another year  for  some of  the                                                                    
communities that haven't bonded,  which allows time for them                                                                    
to do that.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:01:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards enumerated the following request:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     AP #43056                                                                                                                  
     Connect Anchorage                                                                                                          
     General Fund 1004                  $23,500,000                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that the  project appropriation  contained two                                                                    
separate allocations:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
       th                                                                                                                       
   • 40 Avenue Extension from Lake Otis Parkway to Dale                                                                         
     Street                                                                                                                     
                               th                                                                                               
   • New Seward Highway from 36 South increasing the lanes                                                                      
     to six                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:03:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker questioned  how  the  needs had  been                                                                    
prioritized.  Mr. Richards commented  that through the long-                                                                    
range  transportation plan,  the  Municipality of  Anchorage                                                                    
(MOA) had put-forward a list of priorities.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  added that  another big project  is the                                                                    
connection  between  where  the  Glenn  Highway  comes  into                                                                    
Anchorage  and where  the Seward  Highway starts  at Highway                                                                    
36.    He  asked  the  plan  for  the  next  phase  of  that                                                                    
construction.   Mr. Richards understood  that at  this time,                                                                    
the  project  had  right-of-way work  being  done  with  the                                                                    
preliminary design-work  being added.   Once  those portions                                                                    
are  complete,   the  Department  will  come   back  to  the                                                                    
Legislative body for future appropriations.   He pointed out                                                                    
that  it  is the  largest  costing  project in  the  Connect                                                                    
Anchorage provision.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara inquired  if there  was a  departmental                                                                    
time frame  for completion.   Mr. Richards pointed  out that                                                                    
initially it  had been a  ten-year initiative;  however, the                                                                    
work is happening slowly.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara asked  if the highway-to-highway project                                                                    
was part  of the  Connect Anchorage  project.   Mr. Richards                                                                    
responded that it was part of that project.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:06:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Crawford described  some of  his experiences                                                                    
in  the  east-west  corridor,   which  had  been  previously                                                                    
addressed.    He  wondered  if   the  congestion  was  being                                                                    
addressed.   Mr.  Richards provided  some  detail about  the                                                                    
plans  in that  corridor, which  provide an  alternate route                                                                    
from Tudor  Street to Dowling,  crossing the  Seward Highway                                                                    
to the west  side of Anchorage.  He offered  to research the                                                                    
timeline for that project.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:08:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle introduced the next project:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     AP #30648                                                                                                                  
     Coordinated Transportation and Vehicles                                                                                    
     General Fund/M.H. 1037             $800,000                                                                                
     MHTAAR 1092                        $300,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She explained  that the request  covers costs for  a program                                                                    
that provides  increased mobility  for the  beneficiaries of                                                                    
the Alaska Mental Health Trust.  It is a grant program.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #36453                                                                                                                  
     Corps of Engineers  Harbor Program                                                                                         
     General Fund match                 $2,250,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She pointed out  that the match would  assist the Department                                                                    
with the  harbor corps of engineers  program for feasibility                                                                    
studies  working  with  the   local  communities  to  secure                                                                    
dollars   for   match   funds  for   the   Unalaska   harbor                                                                    
construction.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards noted the next request:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     AP #41390                                                                                                                  
     Dalton Highway including Surfacing Materials                                                                               
     General Fund 1004                  $5,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He advised the request had  resulted from a 2006 initiative,                                                                    
addressing  the condition  of the  Dalton Highway,  the sole                                                                    
link to the North Slope oil fields.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara requested  a copy  of the  multitude of                                                                    
projects  requiring  building   maintenance  &  construction                                                                    
funding expenditures.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:12:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards addressed the following project:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45200                                                                                                                  
     Dust Suppression Project  Water Trucks and Trailers                                                                        
     General Fund 1004                  $650,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker questioned who  would be operating and                                                                    
maintaining  the equipment.    Mr.  Richards responded  that                                                                    
Department  of Transportation  and  Public Facilities  would                                                                    
purchase the equipment with a  goal to contract with various                                                                    
communities to maintain it.   All the equipment would be air                                                                    
transportable.   He suggested that  the plan could  keep the                                                                    
Environmental Protection  Agency (EPA) from  determining how                                                                    
the State  would spend those federal  transportation dollars                                                                    
to address dust needs.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker pointed  out that  he did  not answer                                                                    
the question.   He believed  that it would be  maintained by                                                                    
the Department.  Mr. Richards affirmed.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hawker   asked   why  the   request   under                                                                    
maintenance  and operational  costs was  indicated as  zero.                                                                    
Mr.  Richards  responded  that   the  Department  wanted  to                                                                    
determine  they   had  the  equipment  before   showing  the                                                                    
operational costs.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  questioned if that was  the manner in                                                                    
which  requests should  work.   Co-Chair  Meyer agreed  with                                                                    
Representative Hawker.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:15:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule asked  if  the  anticipation was  that                                                                    
several  communities would  be sharing  the equipment.   Mr.                                                                    
Richards replied yes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule addressed  costs associated with moving                                                                    
equipment by air; he wondered  at what point it would become                                                                    
more cost  effective for the individual  communities to have                                                                    
their  own  equipment.   Mr.  Richards  explained  that  the                                                                    
challenge is  purchasing the equipment and  then determining                                                                    
where to house it in each village.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule recalled  that most  of the  specified                                                                    
airports  have  facilities;   each  community  could  assume                                                                    
responsibility for maintaining their own equipment.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  recommended that the Department  submit some                                                                    
follow-up to each Committee member.  Mr. Richards agreed.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:17:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards continued:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     AP #30634                                                                                                                  
     Emergency and Non-Routine Repairs                                                                                          
     General Fund 1004                  $500,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Richards   explained  that  annually,   the  Department                                                                    
participated   in   statewide  activities,   impacting   the                                                                    
transportation  modes  across  the State.    The  Department                                                                    
needs funding  available for rapid response  for those types                                                                    
of emergencies attempting to use federal funds first.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thomas  advised  that  in  his  district  in                                                                    
Haines, two roads were wiped  out by rain and the Department                                                                    
of  Transportation  and  Public  Facilities  has  not  fixed                                                                    
either area.   He wondered if  some of those funds  could be                                                                    
used for  these roads or  if the Department was  waiting for                                                                    
federal dollars.   Mr. Richards responded that  if there are                                                                    
projects or needs with  immediate application, State dollars                                                                    
would   be  used   with  the   hope  of   receiving  federal                                                                    
reimbursement.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Thomas  mentioned safety issues  at Letnikoff                                                                    
Cove with the  lack of guard rails.   Mr. Richards clarified                                                                    
that the Department of  Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                    
would be glad to look at the situation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:20:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle moved forward:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45567                                                                                                                  
     Facilities Deferred Maintenance                                                                                            
     ASLC Bonds 1186                         $13,273,000                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She advised that the Department  is responsible for over 700                                                                    
buildings statewide.  The amount  of funds received over the                                                                    
years has been minimal compared  to the needs to address on-                                                                    
going maintenance.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #30632                                                                                                                  
     Facilities Deferred Maintenance & Critical Repairs                                                                         
     General Fund 1004                  $2,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She noted that the above  mentioned request was from General                                                                    
Fund dollars  as opposed to Alaska  Student Loan Corporation                                                                    
bond fund  dollars.   The requested  amount is  necessary to                                                                    
address the  maintenance issues for all  statewide buildings                                                                    
needing  repairs such  as the  State Office  Buildings, etc.                                                                    
If requested, there is a prioritized list available.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  pointed out that all  the funding was                                                                    
being requested  for FY09; however,  it accompanies  a three                                                                    
year  dateline.   He  recommended it  be  subject to  annual                                                                    
appropriations.    Ms. Slagle  explained  that  some of  the                                                                    
maintenance  projects   would  take  considerable   time  to                                                                    
complete.  She  added that an annual  appropriation to cover                                                                    
the  Department's  needs  would  be  welcome;  however,  the                                                                    
actual amounts that  have been received have  been too small                                                                    
to take care of the State's declining maintenance needs.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:24:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards addressed the next project:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45195                                                                                                                  
     Galena Maintenance Building Efficiency Modifications                                                                       
     General Fund 1004                  $156,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He  noted that  the U.S.  Air Force  would be  relinquishing                                                                    
control of  the Galena  area in September  2008.   The State                                                                    
will   assume   full   responsibility  of   operations   and                                                                    
maintenance of  the facility.   The Air Force is  donating a                                                                    
building  to the  State, too  large for  the State's  needs.                                                                    
The requested  funds will be used  to shut off a  portion of                                                                    
that building and modify the existing infrastructure.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards continued:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45659                                                                                                                  
     Glenn Highway Rut Repairs                                                                                                  
     General Fund 1004                  $11,500,000                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  that  the request  would  address  the  Glenn                                                                    
Highway,  where  there  is heavy  commuter  traffic  between                                                                    
Glenn Allen and Anchorage.  The  funds would be used to fill                                                                    
the ruts on the southbound lane.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle continued with the next project:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     AP #7090                                                                                                                   
     Harbor Deferred Maintenance                                                                                                
     General Fund 1004                  $650,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Slagle  stated  that  the   State  owns,  manages,  and                                                                    
maintains 28 harbors.  There  are no funding included in the                                                                    
on-going operating  budget to provide maintenance  for those                                                                    
facilities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara recalled  that  last  fiscal year,  the                                                                    
Alaska  Student Loan  Corporation  (ASLC) came  up with  $20                                                                    
million  in dividend  repayments for  use on  such projects.                                                                    
Ms.  Slagle was  not sure  of the  funding mechanism  on the                                                                    
capital income.  She deferred  the question to the Office of                                                                    
Management and Budget (OMB).                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:27:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle proceeded:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #AMD7091                                                                                                                
     Harbor Program Development                                                                                                 
     General Fund Match 1003            $400,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She commented  that the request would  provide assistance to                                                                    
the local  communities in  developing their  harbor programs                                                                    
through grant management funding programs.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards addressed the next project listing:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     AP #30631                                                                                                                  
     Highway Deferred Maintenance                                                                                               
     General Fund 1004                  $3,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He explained that the annual  request would be used to cover                                                                    
some  of the  items  that  have not  been  addressed in  the                                                                    
existing   operating   budget   such  as   resurfacing   and                                                                    
embankment  repairs,  drainage  issues,  brush  cutting  and                                                                    
guard rails.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker questioned  why the  request had  not                                                                    
been  included  in  the  operating  budget.    Mr.  Richards                                                                    
responded that  the Department utilizes contracts,  in which                                                                    
the   funds  are   not  expended   in   that  fiscal   year.                                                                    
Representative Hawker  maintained the  request should  be in                                                                    
placed into the operating budget.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards continued:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45198                                                                                                                  
     Highway Maintenance Vehicle Replacement & Safety Eqpt.                                                                     
     General Fund 1004                  $2,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He clarified  that the  equipment that  the State  of Alaska                                                                    
has, pays into  the highway working capital fund.   Over the                                                                    
past  several years,  the cost  of purchasing  equipment has                                                                    
increased a  lot.  The Department  has not been able  to put                                                                    
enough  dollars  into the  fund  to  replace the  pieces  of                                                                    
equipment that  need replacing.   The funds will be  used to                                                                    
replace approximately 22 units around the State.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards pointed out the following line item:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     AP #39900                                                                                                                  
     Jim River Maintenance Station Replacement                                                                                  
     AK Cap Inc 1197                         $6,000,000                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He  noted that  the funds  would be  used for  a maintenance                                                                    
station  on  the Dalton  Highway.    That building  now  has                                                                    
significant   structural  issues   within  the   walls,  the                                                                    
foundation and the roof structure.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:32:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards continued:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     AP #ADM45297                                                                                                               
     Kenai Borough Road Projects                                                                                                
     General Fund 1004                  $2,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He stated that  the funds would be used  to upgrade existing                                                                    
departmental   roads   and   to  reduce   the   Department's                                                                    
responsibility to the Kenai Borough.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards identified the following project:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45197                                                                                                                  
     Measurement Standards and Commercial Vehicle                                                                               
          Enforcement Equipment Replacement                                                                                     
     General Fund 1004                  $516,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He pointed  out that  they are  responsible for  verifying &                                                                    
certifying weighing  devices and that it  is imperative that                                                                    
they be accurate.   There is a need for  a new scale testing                                                                    
unit in Juneau to serve all of Southeast Alaska.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45192                                                                                                                  
     Nome State Office Building Design Study, Land Purchase                                                                     
     General Fund 1004                  $1,900,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She  pointed out  that  facility, which  is  located on  the                                                                    
beach side  of Nome, has  been hit by several  severe storms                                                                    
and has  been extensively damaged.   The building  should be                                                                    
moved from that location.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:36:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule  asked why the request  had been placed                                                                    
under   the   Department   of  Transportation   and   Public                                                                    
Facilities.   Ms.  Slagle responded  that the  Department is                                                                    
responsible for the construction of all State facilities.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards continued with the next listing.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     AP #42935                                                                                                                  
     Parks Highway Weight Restrictions                                                                                          
     General Fund 1004                  $2,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He noted  that the goal  was to  remove the need  for weight                                                                    
restrictions  on  the Parks  Highway;  the  goal being  100%                                                                    
legal loads, year-round.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:37:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle outlined the following project:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     AP #39356                                                                                                                  
     Resource Development Roads                                                                                                 
     General Fund 1004                  $3,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She pointed  out that  request would  improve roads  to help                                                                    
the  State access  resource development  areas, i.e.  mining                                                                    
and timber.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thomas  asked   about  the  Kensington  mine                                                                    
access road and  the Cascade shuttle program  to Slate Cove.                                                                    
Ms. Slagle  confirmed that moneys  had been provided  at the                                                                    
Cascade  Point   road.    She   offered  to   research  that                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:39:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker   pointed  out   the  list   of  past                                                                    
projects,    noting    nothing    indicated    for    future                                                                    
considerations.   He inquired  how much  of the  $40 million                                                                    
dollars had been spent.   Ms. Slagle responded that there is                                                                    
approximately  $3 million  dollars is  remaining from  prior                                                                    
appropriations.   She added,  a list  is being  developed of                                                                    
the current projects,  which she offered to  provide that to                                                                    
the Committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:41:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #AMD41146                                                                                                               
     Richardson Highway, Shaw Creek Bridge                                                                                      
     General Fund 1004                  $3,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Previously,  dollars were  received to  address upgrades  of                                                                    
the  bridge,  which  would  be   instrumental  for  the  gas                                                                    
pipeline.  However,  now extra funds are needed.   She added                                                                    
that no federal funds were available for that project.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:42:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards outlined the following request:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45193                                                                                                                  
     Seward Highway Maintenance Station Replacement                                                                             
     AK Cap Inc 1197                         $3,200,000                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He pointed out  that the project would  allow the Department                                                                    
to move  the maintenance  functions from downtown  Seward to                                                                    
an outside city land area near the airport.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards continued:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45651                                                                                                                  
     Seward Highway, Milepost 86-Kern Creek Replacement                                                                         
     General Fund 1004                  $3,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  that  the  issue  is  safety  related,  while                                                                    
addressing the corrosion of the culverts on that road.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:44:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle discussed the next project:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AP #30628                                                                                                                  
     State Equipment Replacement                                                                                                
     Highway Capital                         $15,000,000                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
She  commented  that  the  request  would  be  used  to  for                                                                    
equipment  replacement   by  funds  collected   through  the                                                                    
agencies for specific equipment replacement needs.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:45:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards referenced the next item:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AP #41394                                                                                                                  
     Statewide Anti-icing Program                                                                                               
     General Fund 1004                  $500,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The funding would  be used to expand  the current anti-icing                                                                    
program.,  particularly  in  the coastal  communities.    It                                                                    
would be an  application of liquid salt to  prevent ice from                                                                    
bonding to the asphalt.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:46:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards continued:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45202                                                                                                                  
     Statewide Emergency Bridge Repair                                                                                          
     General Fund 1004                  $1,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The   dollars   would   be  used   to   address   structural                                                                    
deficiencies  in   statewide  bridges.    He   provided  two                                                                    
examples:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   • The Eagle River Bridge guard rails                                                                                         
   • The Trail River Bridge on the Seward Highway                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:47:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle discussed the following request item:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     AP #42072                                                                                                                  
     Statewide Rural Airport Safety Improvement                                                                                 
     General Fund 1004                  $3,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She pointed  out that the  dollars would be used  to address                                                                    
life and safety issues at  the 256 rural airports, repairing                                                                    
malfunctioning electrical components.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:48:37 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards highlighted the following request item:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45207                                                                                                                  
     Stripping and Marking Performance Improvements                                                                             
     General Fund 1004                  $1,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He stated  that the  request would  improve the  marking and                                                                    
stripping  retroactivity in  the dark  areas on  the highway                                                                    
between Anchorage and Mat-Su.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze asked if it  would be done in conjunction                                                                    
with the resurfacing.  Mr. Richards said yes.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  inquired if  there would be  a change                                                                    
in procedure  from the current marking  approach; indicating                                                                    
that he applauds  the effort.  He asked if  there could off-                                                                    
set costs indicated  in the operating budget.   Mr. Richards                                                                    
acknowledged there  had not  been an  offset in  that budget                                                                    
for the paint application.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker maintained  that the paint application                                                                    
is  clearly   an  on-going  expense.     He  reiterated  his                                                                    
question,  regarding   whether  it  would  be   a  one  time                                                                    
investment  or  on-going costs.    He  recommended it  being                                                                    
moved to the operating budget.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:51:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Richards responded that  the project would be  a multi                                                                    
year contract.   The dollars  are requested in  the proposed                                                                    
budget in order  to see what the market  can bear performing                                                                    
costs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara requested a copy  of a comparison of the                                                                    
Governor's prioritization from the  last four year's capital                                                                    
budgets   including  the   current  one   proposed  by   the                                                                    
Department.    He asked how much  the Department's operating                                                                    
budget  request  was.   Ms.  Slagle  responded that  it  was                                                                    
approximately $500 million dollars total funds.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:54:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards identified the following request item:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     AP #33853                                                                                                                  
     Surfacing Materials                                                                                                        
     General Fund 1004                  $1,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He explained that the request  would allow the Department to                                                                    
purchase  crushed aggregate  for  the gravel  roads and  for                                                                    
patching asphalt roads.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards continued with the following increment:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     AP #AMD45392                                                                                                               
     Trunk Road  Phase 1                                                                                                        
     General Fund 1004                  $20,000,000                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He  commented that  the request  would be  used for  Phase 1                                                                    
linkage road  also incorporating  the use of  federal funds.                                                                    
The road  is currently windy  and two lanes, which  would be                                                                    
upgraded  to  four  lanes.     There  has  been  significant                                                                    
increase in traffic with construction of the new hospital.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:55:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle addressed the next departmental item:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     AP #AMD45392                                                                                                               
     Statewide Federal Programs                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Federal Receipts 1002              $57,500,000                                                                             
     General Fund Match 1003            $51,838,000                                                                             
     General Fund 1004                  $   100,000                                                                             
     State Desig. 1108                  $32,000,000                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
She pointed  out that several  allocations were  included in                                                                    
the  request, which  uses mostly  federal dollars  except an                                                                    
advanced project definition for the Denali Commission.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:57:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara questioned  if that  was the  only area                                                                    
with  a required  State match  to  the federal  match.   Ms.                                                                    
Slagle clarified  that all match  monies are  State matched;                                                                    
however,  there are  two other  appropriations following  it                                                                    
for  the   airport  improvement  program  and   the  surface                                                                    
transportation program.    Representative Gara  asked if the                                                                    
other two were  within the matched amount.   Ms. Slagle said                                                                    
they were; pointing out another match pot.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara clarified  that  in  the Department  of                                                                    
Transportation and  Public Facilities  budget in  order that                                                                    
there is federal leverage, the  State will need to spend $51                                                                    
million  dollars total.   Ms.  Slagle acknowledged  that was                                                                    
correct and  that the  Department has  another match  pot in                                                                    
the amount  of $2.38 million  dollars for the  federal motor                                                                    
carrier safety administration projects.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:59:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  recapped the  entire budget,  in which,                                                                    
the  State funds  assume  $55 million  dollars  in order  to                                                                    
qualify for  the federal funds.   Ms. Slagle affirmed.   She                                                                    
added, $32  million dollars is statutory  designated program                                                                    
receipts   (SDPR)  funds   to   be   used  for   cooperative                                                                    
reimbursable   projects,  which   are   projects  that   the                                                                    
Department undertakes on behalf of other agencies.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
12:01:37 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  pointed out that the  original budget                                                                    
request  was for  $13.5 million  SDPR dollars,  including an                                                                    
amendment  for  an  additional $20  million  dollars.    Ms.                                                                    
Slagle  addressed the  need for  the amendment,  which would                                                                    
accommodate for communities moving  forward in expanding the                                                                    
correctional facilities.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
12:02:25 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hawker  inquired   if  the   word  "prison"                                                                    
appeared  anywhere  in  the  $20  million  dollar  requested                                                                    
amendment.   Ms.  Slagle apologized  that the  amendment had                                                                    
been submitted without that language  included.  That was an                                                                    
oversight.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  asked if there were  any other places                                                                    
in the  budget that  the request was  not accurate  or total                                                                    
information  had not  been  included.   Ms.  Slagle was  not                                                                    
aware of any other problem areas.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
12:03:51 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer pointed  out that  the total  capital budget                                                                    
request  would be  half federal  dollars.   He asked  if the                                                                    
trend for those  dollars would be declining  in the upcoming                                                                    
years.   Mr.  Richards  explained that  in  the future,  the                                                                    
Department  anticipates   a  significant  drop   in  federal                                                                    
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule  commented on the "roads  to resources                                                                     
aspect  and asked  the Department's  future  projects.   Mr.                                                                    
Richards noted that the current  roads to resources funding,                                                                    
is to  help to access  mining & forestry type  projects that                                                                    
provide  benefit  to  all  Alaskans.    When  using  federal                                                                    
dollars, the State is required to meet federal standards.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative    Joule    voiced   concerns    about    the                                                                    
possibilities of a  future gas line &  questioned how things                                                                    
would be planned.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
12:09:05 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  reiterated concerns  with  anticipated                                                                    
decreased federal  funding.  Mr.  Richards replied  that the                                                                    
Department of Transportation  and Public Facilities attempts                                                                    
to monitor the federal situation;  over the past few months,                                                                    
the  numbers have  been  see-sawing".   The  projections are                                                                    
for a decline next year between  20% and 40%.  The challenge                                                                    
will be with  the re-authorization laws.  It  is likely that                                                                    
there will be a $50-60 million dollar reduction.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara asked  about the  current Juneau-Haines                                                                    
road project.   Mr.  Richards explained that  the Department                                                                    
under that project is required  to look at a financial plan.                                                                    
The  plan currently  indicates  that  costs are  increasing.                                                                    
The plan indicates  that the State should be  able to afford                                                                    
the road  using some  federal dollars.   He  understood that                                                                    
$20 million  dollars a  year over the  next number  of years                                                                    
would accomplish the task.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  questioned the estimated total  cost of                                                                    
that road.   Mr. Richards  replied that the  current project                                                                    
design from  Juneau to Haines is  approximately $350 million                                                                    
dollars.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
12:12:20 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
In  response to  a query  by Representative  Kelly regarding                                                                    
the "roads to resources"  project, Mr. Richards commented on                                                                    
the  needs   of certain  projects; he was  not sure  at what                                                                    
point  the Department  was on  that study.   He  anticipated                                                                    
needs for a significant amount  of capital and resources for                                                                    
such  projects.     Of  the  funds   already  received,  the                                                                    
Department   has  placed   dollars  into   relatively  small                                                                    
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly maintained  that in  order to  sustain                                                                    
the  rural communities  there must  be jobs  and that  means                                                                    
developing  the mines.   He  advocated creating  a long-term                                                                    
plan for  building the roads.   Mr. Richards  explained that                                                                    
the Department has been in  conversation with various mining                                                                    
groups who support providing better access and roads.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
12:16:44 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Crawford asked the  process used to determine                                                                    
the Department's  priorities.   Mr. Richards  explained that                                                                    
the  Department  offers  extensive outreach  throughout  the                                                                    
State specifically  in relation  to use of  federal dollars.                                                                    
There is community involvement with  lists being created and                                                                    
planning  from  that information.    From  those lists,  the                                                                    
projects  are  brought  forward and  then  ranked  based  on                                                                    
variables using  federal dollars.    The Department  has the                                                                    
ability to spend  those federal dollars in the  State on any                                                                    
project;  most other  states can  only  spend their  federal                                                                    
money on the  interstate highway systems.   In Alaska, there                                                                    
is a  ranking between  needs in the  urban and  rural areas.                                                                    
The   statewide  system   used  is   called  the   Statewide                                                                    
Transportation Improvement System (STIP).                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Crawford  questioned  how it  is  determined                                                                    
that  projects   receive  federal  funding  or   only  State                                                                    
dollars.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
12:21:27 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Richards  addressed joint projects  such as that  of the                                                                    
Department  with the  Municipality of  Anchorage (MOA);  the                                                                    
joint  projects   result  from  a  combination   of  federal                                                                    
dollars, State project funds and  locally bonded funds.  The                                                                    
project   listings  originate   from  collaboration   and  a                                                                    
planning process by identifying project advantages.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  requested a list prioritizing  such projects                                                                    
and any documents  that were provided to  the Senate Finance                                                                    
Committee  (SFC) and  they written  responses.   Ms.  Slagle                                                                    
acknowledged  that the  Department had  a prioritized  list,                                                                    
which  she   intended  to  provide  to   the  House  Finance                                                                    
Committee (HFC).                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule mentioned  communities where  airports                                                                    
are dealing  with erosion issues  and why those  places have                                                                    
they  not received  that funding.    Mr. Richards  explained                                                                    
that  the Governor  had initiated  a  sub-cabinet on  global                                                                    
climate  change,  consisting  of an  immediate  action  work                                                                    
group,  whose  main  focus would  be  those  communities  in                                                                    
"immediate peril" due to erosion activities.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
12:25:55 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule emphasized the  urgent need for certain                                                                    
communities and  that the  State needs  to be  proactive. He                                                                    
inquired  the   anticipated  timeline  for  Kivalina.     He                                                                    
stressed that the need there  is critical.  Mr. Richards did                                                                    
not know  when the  working-group report would  be complete;                                                                    
however, he was aware  of federal aid dollars, understanding                                                                    
that  the  State was  already  addressing  the situation  in                                                                    
Kivalina.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule  provided a  photograph of  the erosion                                                                    
close to  the runway at  the airport.   He pointed  out that                                                                    
the State had placed sandbags,  however, that is not a long-                                                                    
term solution.   Mr. Richards acknowledged that  he has been                                                                    
to the  airport and understands  the critical nature  of the                                                                    
situation.   He mentioned that  the Army Corps  of Engineers                                                                    
had placed  rock at Shismiraff,  which now is  surviving the                                                                    
storms but had been very costly.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Joule  reiterated   the   urgency  of   the                                                                    
situation  and  the  need  for a  proactive  response.    He                                                                    
expressed alarm at the lack of an adequate response.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
12:31:18 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thomas referenced  a letter  which had  been                                                                    
signed, requesting Juneau road  access dollars.  He referred                                                                    
to all the stockpiled materials  located in Seattle for that                                                                    
project.     Ms.  Slagle  explained   that  last   year  the                                                                    
Legislature  had  reappropriated  a   little  more  than  $9                                                                    
million  dollars  from  the  Juneau   access  project  to  a                                                                    
statewide project and then identified  them as available for                                                                    
any  State  project.   She  understood  that they  were  now                                                                    
sitting at 17-mile in  Juneau's Department of Transportation                                                                    
and Public  Facilities maintenance station and  still remain                                                                    
available for any statewide project.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
12:33:50 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
LETA  SIMONS,   DIRECTOR,  DIVISION  OF   SUPPORT  SERVICES,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT  OF  NATURAL   RESOURCES,  introduced  the  first                                                                    
request item:                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45278                                                                                                                  
     Reservoir Studies to Evaluate Oil and Gas Resources                                                                        
          On the North Slope                                                                                                    
     AK  Cap Inc 1197                   $4,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She  explained  that the  request  was  related to  the  gas                                                                    
pipeline which  should help the  State determine  the amount                                                                    
of gas that could be delivered through a pipeline.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault questioned  if that  was the  amount that                                                                    
had  been originally  introduced  in  the operating  budget.                                                                    
Ms. Simons responded  that amount was only  located had been                                                                    
within the capital budget.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Simons continued,  itemizing  indicators  moved to  the                                                                    
operating budget:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45279                                                                                                                  
     Contract Auditors for Reducing Royalty and Net Profit                                                                      
          Share Lease Audit Backlogs                                                                                            
     AK Cap Inc 1197                         $200,000                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #31371                                                                                                                  
     Oil and Gas Royalty Valuation                                                                                              
     AK Cap Inc 1197                         $1,000,000                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons addressed the next  item remaining in the capital                                                                    
project list:                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     AP #43300                                                                                                                  
     Alaska Energy Inventory Project                                                                                            
          Completion of Phase 1                                                                                                 
     AK Cap Inc 1197                         $350,000                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
She noted  that the  project would identify  resources which                                                                    
would  be developed  to meet  the  needs of  the local  area                                                                    
energy.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons  highlighted the on-going activity  needs of land                                                                    
sales:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AP #38886                                                                                                                  
     Land Sales-New Subdivision Development                                                                                     
     State Land 1153                         $2,614,000                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault   asked  about   the  amount   of  income                                                                    
anticipated  from  the resulting  land  sales.   Ms.  Simons                                                                    
affirmed the information  is available but that  she did not                                                                    
have it  at the meeting.   She  offered to distribute  it to                                                                    
Committee members.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DICK MYLIUS,  DEPUTY DIRECTOR, DIVISION  OF MINING  LAND AND                                                                    
WATER,  DEPARTMENT  OF   NATURAL  RESOURCES  (testified  via                                                                    
teleconference),  interjected that  in the  last two  years,                                                                    
the  revenue  generated has  been  approximately  $6.5 -  $7                                                                    
million dollars from land sales.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault questioned  the  amount  which the  State                                                                    
would  be  responsible  to  pay   for  costs.    Mr.  Mylius                                                                    
responded it would  be $4 - $5 million dollars  and that the                                                                    
net profit would be around $2 million dollars.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  inquired if the costs  would be inclusive                                                                    
of the salaries.  Mr. Mylius responded that was correct.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
12:39:24 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #33955                                                                                                                  
     Wildland Fire Truck Replacement Phase 1                                                                                    
     General Fund 1004                  $625,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She  noted  that  periodic   replacement  of  critical  fire                                                                    
fighting equipment  is essential for safety  and efficiency.                                                                    
The request would be used to purchase engines.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker inquired  how  the  request would  be                                                                    
sited.   Ms. Simons requested  that be addressed  by someone                                                                    
else  in  the  Department.   She  offered  to  research  the                                                                    
information and submit it to the Committee.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #6843                                                                                                                   
     State Park Emergency Repairs                                                                                               
     General Fund 1004                  $400,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Simons discussed  the annual  upgrading the  facilities                                                                    
needs to protect present health  safety risks resulting from                                                                    
storm damage,  flooding and vandalism.   She emphasized that                                                                    
there  is  an on-going  need  for  funding dollars  for  the                                                                    
increment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule directed his  comments to the amount of                                                                    
"scaling back" to the State  parks that resulted a few years                                                                    
ago.   He  questioned if  the  parks were  now getting  more                                                                    
visitors.   Ms. Simons  noted that  there have  been several                                                                    
requests contained  in the proposed  capital budget  to help                                                                    
the  Department  come  up  to   date  and  address  back-log                                                                    
maintenance  issues  in  the statewide  park  system.    The                                                                    
Division of Parks has developed a ten-year strategic plan.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze requested  a  copy  of the  Department's                                                                    
park priority list.  Ms. Simons affirmed.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
12:44:03 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons outlined the following request:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     AP #AMD45485                                                                                                               
     Department of Natural Resources Deferred Maintenance                                                                       
     AK Cap Inc 1197                         $6,323,000                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Simons admitted  that this  was  a larger  departmental                                                                    
request  to  address   deferred  maintenance  concerns  that                                                                    
previously were  identified.  The  FY09 request  defines the                                                                    
needs  in the  ten  year strategic-plan  for  State parks  &                                                                    
facilities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  commented that  the proposed  plan is                                                                    
more  of  a    vision  document   rather  than   a  list  of                                                                    
priorities.  He questioned why  the Alaska  State parks were                                                                    
not  a  higher priority  for  the  Department.   Ms.  Simons                                                                    
responded that  she did not have  the history to be  able to                                                                    
answer that  question; she  offered to  find out  where they                                                                    
were on the priority list.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  commented that  he would like  to see                                                                    
the request moved from a ten year plan to a five year plan.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  explained the  work undertaken  by the                                                                    
subcommittee.    The  proposed departmental  increase  is  @                                                                    
approximately 500%;  he did  not think  the agency  would be                                                                    
able to grow  at that rapid rate to  address those concerns.                                                                    
He  agreed that  the  agency [parks]  was  in a  "deplorable                                                                    
shape".                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons  advised that if  the Department was able  to get                                                                    
their requests in both the  operating & capital budget, they                                                                    
would be able to "go a  long way" in bringing State parks to                                                                    
better shape.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
12:47:22 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons  explained that the following  component had been                                                                    
moved to the operating budget:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     AP #6852                                                                                                                   
     Airborne Geophysical & Geological Mineral Inventory                                                                        
     General Fund 1004                  $850,000                                                                                
     Stat Desig Rcpts 1108              $350,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45255                                                                                                                  
     Architecture & Engineering for a New Geologic                                                                              
          Material Center in Eagle River                                                                                        
     General Fund 1004                  $1,500,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She  clarified that  the request  could cover  approximately                                                                    
half of the  total cost for the project.   It is critical to                                                                    
the energy  and success  of mineral resource  development to                                                                    
store, protect  and provide access  to the  State's geologic                                                                    
core   samples;  the   existing  facilities   are  basically                                                                    
inadequate.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:49:03 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hawker  acknowledged   that  the   need  is                                                                    
important.  He asked why the  total cost had not been placed                                                                    
into the  operating budget.   Ms. Simons clarified  that the                                                                    
Department was  asked to phase-in projects.   Representative                                                                    
Hawker asked  if that request  was unique to  the Department                                                                    
of Natural Resources.  Ms. Simons did not know.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
12:49:57 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45283                                                                                                                  
     Implement Electronic document Recording                                                                                    
     Receipt Services 1156              $120,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She noted  that the  request would  allow real  estate title                                                                    
companies,  banks,  the  general  public  and  attorneys  to                                                                    
electronically submit real estate  documents to help improve                                                                    
the efficiency of that function.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons highlighted the following component:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45624                                                                                                                  
     Reforestation in Southcentral & Interior Alaska                                                                            
     General Fund 1004                  $370,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She  stated that  the request  is for  an on-going  periodic                                                                    
activity  to  address  reforestation.     The  project  will                                                                    
prepare the seedlings and the areas at harvest sites.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Crawford  commented  that in  other  places,                                                                    
they have  moved away from  the human reseeding,  letting it                                                                    
occur naturally.   Ms. Simons  did not think  that technique                                                                    
would work well  in the northern regions of the  State.  She                                                                    
offered to provide more back-up on that query.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
12:51:35 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons  noted the  following item on  the list  had been                                                                    
moved to the operating budget:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     AP #41426                                                                                                                  
     BLM 2009-State Support for Public Access                                                                                   
     General Fund 1004                  $300,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #41415                                                                                                                  
     Gas Pipeline Corridor Geologic Hazards                                                                                     
          and Resources  Phase 2                                                                                                
     Alaska Cap Inc.  1197              $600,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She   indicated   that   the  request   provides   for   the                                                                    
continuation of  the project, allowing for  the continuation                                                                    
of   geologic  mapping,   hazard  assessment   and  resource                                                                    
evaluation  along with  the proposed  gas pipeline  corridor                                                                    
from Delta Junction to the Canadian border.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault inquired about  the total number of phases                                                                    
needed for the  project.  Ms. Simons did  not know; however,                                                                    
anticipated  that  the  total  cost  would  be  about  $4.57                                                                    
million dollars over the next seven years.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
12:52:57 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ROD COMBELLICK, DEPUTY DIRECTOR,  DIVISION OF GEOLOGICAL AND                                                                    
GEOPHYSICAL   SURVEYS,  DEPARTMENT   OF  NATURAL   RESOURCES                                                                    
(testified  via teleconference),  responded  that there  had                                                                    
been funding  requested through FY12.   The field  work will                                                                    
be complete in  two or three field seasons.   By FY12, there                                                                    
should be a final write-up, maps and report available.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
12:54:40 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons pointed out the following project:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45260                                                                                                                  
     CO2 Sequestration Assessment Phase 1                                                                                       
     Federal Receipts 1002              $200,000                                                                                
     General Fund 1004                  $100,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The project  is a collaborative effort  between the Division                                                                    
of  Geological &  Geophysical Surveys,  Division of  Oil and                                                                    
Gas,   Department   of   Environmental   Conservation,   the                                                                    
University of  Alaska and  the industry,  all of  which will                                                                    
insure utilization  of resources  for the CO2  storage based                                                                    
on sound science.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #42062                                                                                                                  
     Statewide Digital Mapping Initiative Year 3                                                                                
     Federal Receipts 1002              $2,000,000                                                                              
     General Fund 1004                  $2,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She  discussed that  the initiative  within   Year 3   would                                                                    
allow all  users would  have quick and  easy access  to land                                                                    
resource  information;  it  would replace  the  40-year  old                                                                    
topographic maps.   She understood that Alaska  was the last                                                                    
State  in the  Union to  digitize those  maps.   The request                                                                    
would be  on-going for another  five year period.   Co-Chair                                                                    
Chenault  asked  if that  request  would  be billed  at  the                                                                    
estimated  $4 million  per year.   Ms.  Simons replied  that                                                                    
they do  not know the end  number but she imagined  that the                                                                    
total  cost  would  be  around $28  million  dollars.    The                                                                    
Department anticipates receiving  around $18 million federal                                                                    
dollars for the project.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
12:57:01 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons pointed out the following proposal for:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     AP #6865                                                                                                                   
     State Park Sanitation & Safety Projects                                                                                    
     General Fund 1004                  $850,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She stated that the request  would address the "worst of the                                                                    
worst" toilets in the State park system.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #6865                                                                                                                   
     National Historic Preservation Fund                                                                                        
          Federal Grant Program                                                                                                 
     Federal Receipts 1002              $1,000,000                                                                              
     General Fund match 1003            $   50,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She noted that  the dollars are continued  federal funding &                                                                    
consistent  with  prior  year   funding  for  the  operating                                                                    
grants,  which  protect  the State's  Historic  Preservation                                                                    
Program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
12:57:58 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons pointed out the following request:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45259                                                                                                                  
     Geologic Materials Center Deferred Maintenance                                                                             
          Repairs and Operational Upgrades                                                                                      
     General Fund 1004                  $65,000                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
She explained that the component  requested dollars would be                                                                    
used for  regular maintenance and  repairs for  the geologic                                                                    
material center until a new facility is built.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45256                                                                                                                  
     Cook Inlet Energy Assessment                                                                                               
     Alaska Cap Inc. 1197                    $260,000                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The  requested   assessment  provides  for   private  sector                                                                    
resource development   information.   It  will also  help to                                                                    
leverage  funds  from  the private  sector  for  the  energy                                                                    
sponsorship program.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #41432                                                                                                                  
     Fire Fighting Equipment Replacement - Phase 2                                                                              
     General Fund 1004                  $500,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She explained that the increment  could address the on-going                                                                    
need for replacing and maintaining departmental equipment.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly referenced  the previous  request, the                                                                    
energy assessment.   He  asked how that  could tie  into the                                                                    
Alaska  Energy Authority  (AEA).   Mr. Combellick  explained                                                                    
that Project #4,  energy inventory, is the  project that the                                                                    
Department is  conducting in close association  with AEA, in                                                                    
order to  compile all statewide  energy related data.   Cook                                                                    
Inlet is a  field project, which is  collecting new geologic                                                                    
data in  that area in support  of the industry efforts.   He                                                                    
clarified that  it is not occurring  in specific cooperation                                                                    
with AEA but that they were being consulted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  stated  that   there  would  be  no  public                                                                    
testimony taken as the meeting.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
RECESSED:      1:01:46 PM                                                                                                     
RECONVENED:    2:18:10 PM                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons identified the following request item:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45257                                                                                                                  
     Geologic Hazards Associated with                                                                                           
          Climate Change - Phase 1                                                                                              
     General Fund 1004                  $330,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She  stated  that the  request  would  be used  to  identify                                                                    
potential  geologic  hazards due  to  climate  change.   The                                                                    
product produces a hazard map and prioritized report.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:19:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Simons listed  the following  items, a  continuation of                                                                    
federal funding:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     AP #37769                                                                                                                  
     Federal & Local Government Funded Forest Resource                                                                          
          and Fire Program Projects                                                                                             
     Federal Receipts 1002              $2,200,000                                                                              
    Stat. Designated Receipts 1108          $  800,000                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AP #40082                                                                                                                  
     Alaska Coastal Management Federal Pass Through Grants                                                                      
     Federal Receipts 1002              $1,360,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons addressed the following on-going activities:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     AP #38480                                                                                                                  
   Remote Recreational Cabin Sites Surveys & Appraisals                                                                         
     State Land 1153                    $1,011,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She explained  that the Department contracts  with appraisal                                                                    
and surveys of properties  sold as remote recreational cabin                                                                    
sites  and  passes  the  costs onto  the  applicants.    The                                                                    
request provides authorization to expend those funds.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Simons  added  that  the  following  request  continues                                                                    
federal funding dollars:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     AP #32553                                                                                                                  
     Alaska Boating Safety Program                                                                                              
     Federal Receipts 1002              $1,000,000                                                                              
     Vehicle Receipts 1195              $  200,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:20:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #32552                                                                                                                  
     Land and Water Conservation Fund Federal Grant Program                                                                     
     Federal Receipts 1002              $600,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She  stated  that  the  request  continues  to  use  federal                                                                    
funding dollars.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  asked why  the on-going  programs had                                                                    
been  included  in  the capital  budget  rather  than  being                                                                    
placed into  the operating activities.   Ms. Simons  did not                                                                    
know the history; however, using  the federal grant programs                                                                    
which cross fiscal years, it  works better being included in                                                                    
the  capital  budget  as that  budget  also  crosses  fiscal                                                                    
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault  questioned   the  origination  of  State                                                                    
funding using  vehicle receipts.   Ms. Simons  explained the                                                                    
reference was in regard to boat registration fees.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:21:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons proceeded:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #6854                                                                                                                   
     National Recreational Trail Grants Federal Program                                                                         
     Federal Receipts                   $1,500,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     AP #33690                                                                                                                  
     Snowmobile Trail Development & Program Grants                                                                              
     Vehicle Receipts 1195              $250,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze  pointed out  that the receipt  funds had                                                                    
resulted  from  the  snowmobile  registration  receipts;  he                                                                    
asked if they had the opportunity to access other funds.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS  DEGERNES, FIELD  OPERATIONS,  DIVISION  OF PARKS  AND                                                                    
OUTDOOR   RECREATION,   DEPARTMENT  OF   NATURAL   RESOURCES                                                                    
(testified   via  teleconference),   responded  that   snow-                                                                    
machines do  have access to national  recreation trail grant                                                                    
funds.   The funds  are divided  between motorized  and non-                                                                    
motorized vehicle trails.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze  requested   the  historical  percentage                                                                    
breakdown.    Ms. Degernes understood that  the amounts were                                                                    
divided as follows:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   • 30% provided for motorized;                                                                                                
   • 30% for non-motorized; and                                                                                                 
   • 40% for diversified use.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly inquired  the  break-down between  new                                                                    
construction and maintenance.   Ms. Simons responded that it                                                                    
would  not be  a concern  to move  the request  back to  the                                                                  
operating  budget.     Representative  Kelly  requested  the                                                                    
information be forthcoming from the Department.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze urged  that   trail money   be added  to                                                                    
South-central Alaska.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:25:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45250                                                                                                                  
     Plant Material Center Deferred Equipment Replacement                                                                       
     General Fund 1004                  $465,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She  explained that  the request  was part  of the  on-going                                                                    
amount for equipment, maintenance and fixed assets.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:25:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons proceeded with the following three items:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     AP #6855                                                                                                                   
     Abandoned Mine Lands Reclamation Federal Program                                                                           
     Federal Receipts 1002              $3,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     AP #AMD37762                                                                                                               
     Cooperative Water Resource Program                                                                                         
          Division of Mining, Land & Water                                                                                      
     Statutory Designated 1108               $300,000                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #AMD45693                                                                                                               
     Cooperative Water Resource Program                                                                                         
          Office of Habitat Management & Permitting                                                                             
     Statutory Designated 1108               $300,000                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
She  explained  that  the Department  of  Natural  Resources                                                                    
accepts funds  from the private  sector &  local governments                                                                    
and  passes them  through to  the  U.S. Government  Services                                                                    
(USGS) as  part of a  funding agreement for  those programs.                                                                    
The  funding pays  for the  installation and  operations for                                                                    
equipment in order to receive  hydrologic data.  She pointed                                                                    
out  that it  had been  requested two  times on  the request                                                                    
list  in   anticipation  of  one   moving  forward   to  the                                                                    
Department of Fish and Game.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons continued listing the next two request items:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45274                                                                                                                  
     RS2477 Surveys                                                                                                             
     General Fund 1004                  $100,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45272                                                                                                                  
     Matanuska Susitna Borough Hydrogeology Assessment                                                                          
          Phase 1                                                                                                               
     General Fund 1004                  $295,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She  advised that  in  sections of  the  Ma-Su Borough,  the                                                                    
increased demands  on ground-water  were causing  concern in                                                                    
how to meet  the water needs in the community.   The goal of                                                                    
the study  is to provide  the Department information  on how                                                                    
to manage that ground-water in that area.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  questioned why  the request  had been                                                                    
limited to the Mat-Su Borough.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mylius acknowledged that there  are other areas with the                                                                    
same condition;  however, the Mat-Su Borough  is the fastest                                                                    
growing  area in  the  State right  now  and almost  totally                                                                    
depends  on  ground-water.   The  project  will begin  there                                                                    
first, because  there is limited  staff and the area  is the                                                                    
highest priority.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze interjected  that the  area does  have a                                                                    
public water system.   He did not want to  diminish the need                                                                    
in the Valley  project; however, thought that  it could have                                                                    
been misidentified.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:29:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons addressed the following four project listings:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     AP #34881                                                                                                                  
     Forest Legacy Federal Grant Program                                                                                        
     Federal Receipts 1002              $2,516,500                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45282                                                                                                                  
     Kenai River Public Use Study                                                                                               
     General Fund 1004                  $200,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     AP #41648                                                                                                                  
     Coastal Impact Assistance Program (CIAP)                                                                                   
     Federal Receipts 1002              $3,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45262                                                                                                                  
     EVOS Restoration Acquisition of Small Parcels                                                                              
          Anchor River, Kilunda Bay, Soldotna, Valdez                                                                           
     EVOSS 1018                              $1,513,000                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:30:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45263                                                                                                                  
     EVOS parcel Acquisition-Afognak                                                                                            
     EVOSS 1018                              $10,000,000                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
She noted that the request would approve the purchase of                                                                        
6,200 acres in northern Afognak Island.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons identified the following requested item:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     AP #6853                                                                                                                   
     Mental Health Trust Land Development                                                                                       
     MHTAAR 1092                        $650,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She  commented  that the  amount  would  support the  Alaska                                                                    
Mental Health  Trust Authority (AMHTA) ongoing  management &                                                                    
development of  the mental health  trust lands on  behalf of                                                                    
the Authority.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:31:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons addressed the last item on the list before the                                                                       
members:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     AP   #40474                                                                                                                
     Mental Health Trust Facilities Maintenance                                                                                 
     MHTAAR 1092                        $350,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She explained  that the  requested funds  would be  used for                                                                    
regular  facility maintenance  and replacement  and on-going                                                                    
property work with snow removal,  maintenance and repair for                                                                    
those properties.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:31:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons clarified that there  are four remaining projects                                                                    
on another list that originally  had been listed on the FY08                                                                    
surplus funding list:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP   #41410                                                                                                                
     Alaska Land Mobile Radio-FCC Narrowanding Phase 2                                                                          
     General Fund 1004                  $450,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She  noted   that  the  request   would  fund   the  Federal                                                                    
Communication Commission  (FCC) migration  to narrow-banding                                                                    
to 2013.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault   inquired  the  number   of  anticipated                                                                    
phases.  Ms.  Simons offered to research that  & provide the                                                                    
information to the Committee.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule  asked  if   it  had  previously  been                                                                    
located in the Department  of Military and Veterans Affairs.                                                                    
Ms. Simons understood  that it was located in  more than one                                                                    
State agency.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:33:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons explained that the following request:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     AP #38872                                                                                                                  
     Unified Permit Project  Completion of Phase 4                                                                              
     General Fund 1004                  $800,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She  stated  that once  the  project  is complete,  it  will                                                                    
provide   applicants   with   automated  &   a   streamlined                                                                    
processing  system for  acquiring  permit  leases for  water                                                                    
rights, burn permits and right of ways, etc.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault asked for  information reqarding the total                                                                    
anticipated costs  of the project.   Ms. Simons  stated that                                                                    
the total  cost was anticipated  to be $5.4  million dollars                                                                    
over  a seven  year  period.   She  offered  to research  it                                                                    
further.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:34:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45269                                                                                                                  
     DNR Document Management System                                                                                             
     General Fund 1004                  $1,200,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She  pointed  out  that  the   request  would  automate  the                                                                    
Department's  case  files  by  converting  them  to  digital                                                                    
formats.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Simons addressed the last item on the list:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45270                                                                                                                  
     DNR Information Technology Infrastructure Upgrades                                                                         
     General Fund 1004                  $276,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The request provides for regular  maintenance & upgrading of                                                                    
the Department's technology systems.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Thomas  asked   about   titling  for   land                                                                    
purchased by the State and  transferred into State property.                                                                    
He mentioned property donated in  Haines Alaska for the Bald                                                                    
Eagle Preserve.   Ms. Simons offered  to provide information                                                                    
about how such circumstances are handled.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  amplified the need regarding  to update                                                                    
the  statewide  title  system.     He  emphasized  that   it                                                                    
currently, is a mess.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MIKE MAHER,  DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF  ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF  REVENUE, introduced the  Department's project                                                                    
listings:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45210                                                                                                                  
     Monitoring of Dust Control Technologies in Rural AK                                                                        
     General Fund 1004                  $224,107                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:38:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM CHAPPLE,  DIRECTOR, DIVISION  OF AIR AND  WATER QUALITY,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT  OF  ENVIRONMENTAL  CONSERVATION  (testified  via                                                                    
teleconference), addressed  the project.  He  noted that the                                                                    
project  worked hand-in-hand  with  those  indicated in  the                                                                    
Department   of   Transportation  and   Public   Facilities,                                                                    
providing the  air quality  monitoring associated  with dust                                                                    
control  pilot project.   He  reiterated  that the  proposed                                                                    
plan was a strategy proposed  by both departments to avoid a                                                                    
federal intervention cutting the pollution.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze recalled the  PM-10 federal grant dollars                                                                    
for  leveraging.   Mr. Chapple  acknowledged that  there had                                                                    
been money available  then by using the  PM-10, however that                                                                    
has  diminished.   There are  no  additional federal  grants                                                                    
funds available at this time.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:41:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BILL  GRIFFITH,  FACILITIES  PROGRAM  MANAGER,  DIVISION  OF                                                                    
WATER, DEPARTMENT  OF ENVIRONMENTAL  CONSERVATION, addressed                                                                    
the following requested item:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     AP #41376                                                                                                                  
     Water and Wastewater Infrastructure Projects                                                                               
     Federal Receipts 1002              $78,728,511                                                                             
     General Fund Match 1003            $22,909.504                                                                             
     General Fund 1004                  $18,966,870                                                                             
     Statutory Designates PR 1108       $   500,000                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He  explained   the  appropriation   request.     The  total                                                                    
appropriation is  $121.1 million dollars, which  consists of                                                                    
multiple  allocations for  statewide water  and waste  water                                                                    
improvement projects.  The increment  will improve & protect                                                                    
rural   households  with   basic  sanitation   services  and                                                                    
assisting communities with their existing systems.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault requested  a list  of where  each project                                                                    
was located  statewide.  Mr.  Griffith offered to  make that                                                                    
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Griffith pointed  out that  in addition  to the  single                                                                    
allocations,  the  appropriation   also  includes  a  single                                                                    
larger  allocation   for  statewide  water   and  wastewater                                                                    
infrastructure  projects using  those  federal  funds.   The                                                                    
funding  for  projects  consists   of  75%  federal  receipt                                                                    
authority &  25% required  State match  dollars.   He listed                                                                    
the projects included.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He  reminded Committee  members that  a three  year priority                                                                    
list   was   established   according  to   federal   funding                                                                    
requirements for  funding large, multi-year projects.   This                                                                    
is  the  first  year  that all  projects  requiring  federal                                                                    
funding have been consolidated into one project allocation.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:46:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TED  LEONARD, DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF COMMERCE,                                                                    
COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT, introduced departmental                                                                    
staff.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SAMUEL   THOMAS,   DIRECTOR,  DIVISION   OF   ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                    
SERVICES,  DEPARTMENT OF  COMMERCE,  COMMUNITY AND  ECONOMIC                                                                    
DEVELOPMENT,  addressed the  first listing  proposed by  the                                                                    
Department:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:47:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     AP #38946                                                                                                                  
     Community Block Grants                                                                                                     
     Federal Receipts 1002              $6,030,000                                                                              
     General Fund Match 1003            $   70,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  the  use  for   the  community  services  and                                                                    
development grants.  The goal  of RuralCap is to protect the                                                                    
heritage  and improve  the quality  of life  for those  low-                                                                    
income residents  by providing  training.   He spoke  to the                                                                    
community development  block grants that benefit  low income                                                                    
people  by  providing  financial resources  for  the  public                                                                    
facilities.  The  remaining programs are small,  such as the                                                                    
food  and  nutrition  grants  used   to  feed  the  homeless                                                                    
throughout Alaska & provide for emergency shelter grants.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:50:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thomas identified the following project:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     AP #AMD45296                                                                                                               
     Licensing Document Imaging & Archival System                                                                               
     Receipt Services 1156              $600,000                                                                                
     Blic&Corp 1175                     $600,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He explained that the dollars  would be used toward business                                                                    
licensing,   banking  and   insurance.     The  request   is                                                                    
associated with three main objectives:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
   • Replace licensing into hard copy format;                                                                                   
   • Integrating & digitize information; and                                                                                    
   • Refinance and streamlining work-flow between Anchorage                                                                     
     and Juneau.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  indicated that he was  "skeptical" of                                                                    
the  Department's ability  to be  able to  manage money  and                                                                    
data.  Co-Chair Meyer agreed it was worrisome.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:52:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard highlighted the following component:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     AP #AMD45298                                                                                                               
     Investigation System Integration                                                                                           
     Receipt Services 1156              $225,000                                                                                
     Blic&Corp 1175                     $225,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He explained that the increment  provides for an integrative                                                                    
package,  consolidating  three investigative  services  into                                                                    
one  place.   Additionally, it  is anticipated  garnishing a                                                                    
performance tool, measuring  effectiveness of the Division's                                                                    
case management skills.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:54:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thomas continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45292                                                                                                                  
     Public Information System Security                                                                                         
     Receipt Services 1156              $250,000                                                                                
     Blic&Corp 1175                     $250,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He  noted that  the Department  has over  thirty [30]  radio                                                                    
systems  available for  public.   The concern  is protecting                                                                    
the personal data  security of the system  for the licensing                                                                    
& banking side of the equation.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:56:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thomas addressed the following item request:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45293                                                                                                                  
     Professional Licensing Website Development                                                                                 
     Receipt Services 1156              $400,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He stated  that the professional licensing  consists of over                                                                    
thirty eight [38]  boards and commissions and  that only six                                                                    
of those systems have been computerized.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:57:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thomas described the component request:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     AP #38950                                                                                                                  
     Alaska Energy Authority Energy Projects                                                                                    
     Federal Receipts 1002              $30,000,000                                                                             
     I/A Receipts 1007                  $   500,000                                                                             
    Statutory Designated Rcpt 1108          $   500,000                                                                         
     Alaska Cap Inc 1197                $10,000,000                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thomas  clarified the three main  items contained within                                                                    
that request and explained each:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   • Bulk fuel upgrades                                                                                                         
   • Rural power system upgrades                                                                                                
   • Alternative energy efficient programs                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer asked  about the  wind-power  options.   Mr.                                                                    
Thomas  responded that  the Denali  Commission is  currently                                                                    
studying  wind  project  options.   There  are  no  specific                                                                    
projects at this time slatted to start by 2009.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:04:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thomas continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #40056                                                                                                                  
     Organization Grants  Statutory                                                                                             
     General Fund 1004                  $200,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Samuels  explained  that the  grant  dollars  would  be                                                                    
provided to the City of Wrangell for forming a borough.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:04:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Samuels continued:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45409                                                                                                                  
     Tourism Economic Impact Study                                                                                              
     General Fund 1004                  $100,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze  addressed  a  need to  look  at  sport-                                                                    
fishery  issues  &  those  impacts on  State  tourism.    He                                                                    
doubted  if the  Administration would  have a  problem tying                                                                    
sport-fishing to distressed areas.   Mr. Leonard agreed, the                                                                    
Department supports that amendment language.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:06:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard identified the following project request:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #41789                                                                                                                  
     Kodiak Launch Complex Infrastructure                                                                                       
     Federal Receipts 1002              $14,000,000                                                                             
     General Fund 1004                  $ 3,500,000                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He explained that the aerospace  development had requested a                                                                    
rocket based  storage facility and  launch pad,  which would                                                                    
be  a two-year  project.   The prime  customer would  be the                                                                    
Missile Defense  Agency (MDA).   A third pad allows  for two                                                                    
launches to  be occurring at  the same  time.  He  noted the                                                                    
new customer, the U.S. Air Force.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  questioned creation of a  viable, local                                                                    
aerospace industry,  which is mostly accommodating  the U.S.                                                                    
military.  He inquired what  industry could be produced from                                                                    
the increment.  Mr. Leonard  explained what the third launch                                                                    
pad would be offering the  State an ability to do commercial                                                                    
launches.   The current facility  offers the City  of Kodiak                                                                    
approximately   $5  million   dollars  revenue   each  year.                                                                    
             rd                                                                                                                 
Building a  3  launch  pad, the Department  anticipates that                                                                    
within a four or five year period:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   • With that number of customers, the State would be able                                                                     
     to provide a dividend; or                                                                                                  
   • Another option would be making the corporation                                                                             
     private.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara referenced Page  20 and questioned where                                                                    
the  launch revenue  ends up.   Mr.  Leonard clarified  that                                                                    
those   revenue  dollars   would  to   into  the   Aerospace                                                                    
Corporation.   He  noted that  the State  now owns  about $2                                                                    
million in  assets.  Representative  Gara stressed  that the                                                                    
benefits to  the State were being  overstated, especially if                                                                    
the agency goes private.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  disclosed that  he did not  think the                                                                    
requested  item  was  a   legitimate  State  activity',  but                                                                    
however, opined that the State is "too far into it" now.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:14:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard continued:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AP #AMD40242                                                                                                               
     Manufacturing Extension Program                                                                                            
     General Fund 1004                  $806,401                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard described the  nationwide network program, which                                                                    
is  used   for  non-profit  centers  with   the  purpose  of                                                                    
providing   small  and   medium  sized   manufacturers  help                                                                    
necessary  to  succeed.    He pointed  out  that  there  are                                                                    
federal dollars available for the  program, however they are                                                                    
not indicated.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  wondered   about  the  $2.4  million                                                                    
dollars a year spent and  who those beneficiaries were.  Mr.                                                                    
Leonard  explained   that  the  program  started   in  2005.                                                                    
Federal dollars require that  there are performance measures                                                                    
necessary   based   on   the  bottom-line   client   impact,                                                                    
investment   leverage,   clients   served  and   a   percent                                                                    
quantified impact.  Mr. Thomas  added that in 2006, the U.S.                                                                    
general accounting office conducted  a study on the program,                                                                    
which determined it  as very valuable and  providing for new                                                                    
jobs nationwide.  The program  was highly recommended to the                                                                    
U.S. Congress.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule inquired  if they  had entered  into a                                                                    
high-end market.  Mr. Thomas affirmed it was.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Meyer  requested   examples  of   other  business                                                                    
benefiting   from  the   program.     Representative   Joule                                                                    
understood that the  program attempts to help  find a market                                                                    
for  manufactured  art throughout  the  State.   Mr.  Thomas                                                                    
explained that  the program helps rural  Alaskans sell their                                                                    
products, working with the  National Institute of Foundation                                                                    
and Technology.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:22:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thomas proceeded:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #41959                                                                                                                  
     Arctic Winter Games Team Alaska                                                                                            
     General Fund 1004                  $250,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thomas elaborated  on the  Arctic  Winter Games,  which                                                                    
began in  1970.  Up until  2005, the games were  gifted $250                                                                    
thousand dollars.  He described  the games and the amount of                                                                    
participation.    He understood  that  this  year, over  100                                                                    
youth   would  be   participating.     Representative  Joule                                                                    
interjected that the games take place in Yellowknife.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer recommended that if  the expense was going to                                                                    
receive continued  funding, it  should be  moved out  of the                                                                    
capital budget and into the operating budget.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:24:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thomas highlighted the following request item:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     AP   #45654                                                                                                                
     Alaska Travel Industry Association (ATIA)                                                                                  
     Vehicle Rental Tax 1200            $3,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thomas mentioned  HB 147,  which  addresses the  Alaska                                                                    
Travel  Industry  Association  (ATIA)  concerns.    Co-Chair                                                                    
Meyer  pointed  out  that $900  thousand  dollars  had  been                                                                    
included  in the  operating  budget for  that  request.   He                                                                    
inquired  if ATIA  had submitted  the proposed  budget every                                                                    
year to the Department for approval.  Mr. Thomas said yes.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:25:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thomas continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #38713                                                                                                                  
     Arctic Power                                                                                                               
     General Fund 1004                  $120,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard reported that the  allocation would continue the                                                                    
education efforts  to open the  coastal plain of  the Arctic                                                                    
National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR).   The request would be used                                                                    
for educating federal members of the U.S. Congress.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  shared  the hopes  of  Arctic  Power                                                                    
Corporation   and  the   frustrations   of  their   previous                                                                    
requests.   He  asked why  the request  was so  small.   Mr.                                                                    
Leonard  offered   to  provide   more  information   on  the                                                                    
component;   he understood that  the request was only  for a                                                                    
"maintenance" budget.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker wanted to  see reserves made available                                                                    
for development.   Mr. Leonard  understood that  the attempt                                                                    
was  to  divert  more  education   on  Alaska  to  the  D.C.                                                                    
delegation for  the need of the  oil and gas reserves.   Co-                                                                    
Chair   Meyer      agreed  with   the   comments   made   by                                                                    
Representative Hawker.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:28:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thomas addressed the following requested item:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     AP #38948                                                                                                                  
     Language Section: NPR-A Impact Grant Program                                                                               
     General Fund 1004                  $5,600,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thomas  stated that  the  Department  is still  in  the                                                                    
process  of getting  the needed  applications.   Nothing has                                                                    
yet been finalized.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thomas continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45418                                                                                                                  
     Language Section: Revenue Sharing                                                                                          
     General Fund 1004                  $75,000,000                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thomas  noted that the  House and the Senate  had passed                                                                    
the revenue sharing component.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thomas concluded:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #32590                                                                                                                  
     Language Section: Electrical Emergencies                                                                                   
     General Fund 1004                  $250,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thomas reported on previous  funding.  The fund provides                                                                    
technical support  when any electrical utility  has lost the                                                                    
ability to transmit power to their customers.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:30:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze  asked  about the  electrical  emergency                                                                    
repairs  and the  coverage extended  to individual  property                                                                    
owner loss during  outages.  Mr. Thomas  offered to research                                                                    
that information.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Thomas  mentioned the  danger of  power lines                                                                    
being heavy with  snow and injuries then  resulting to snow-                                                                    
mobile riders.   Mr.  Thomas did not  know.   Co-Chair Meyer                                                                    
recommended those comments should be redirected.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule recalled the  old name of Department of                                                                    
Commerce, Community  and Economic Development which  was the                                                                    
Department of  Community and Regional  Affairs.   He pointed                                                                    
to  the challenges  resulting  from  erosion experienced  by                                                                    
several rural communities.   He questioned why  there had no                                                                    
capital budget item request  for those communities included.                                                                    
Mr. Thomas  explained that the  Department had  requested an                                                                    
item  to be  included called  Climate Change  Impact for  $1                                                                    
million  dollars.    He   thought  those  communities  could                                                                    
qualify under  that item.  Representative  Joule warned that                                                                    
the Department  needs to address these  critical concerns as                                                                    
soon as possible.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Leonard  reported that the  Department has  been working                                                                    
with the  federal government  to get the  funding.   He said                                                                    
that   the  $1.1   million  dollars   is  the   first  step.                                                                    
Representative Joule  maintained that  no one  is responding                                                                    
to the  crisis quick enough.   He hoped that  the Department                                                                    
would add additional requests to these urgent needs.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:39:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY AND VETERAN AFFAIRS                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  CRAMER, DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER &  DIRECTOR, DIVISION  OF                                                                    
ADMINISTRATIVE   SERVICES,   DEPARTMENT  OF   MILITARY   AND                                                                    
VETERANS  AFFAIRS,  addressed   the  Department's  following                                                                    
requests:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     AP #40060                                                                                                                  
     Alaska Aviation Safety Project                                                                                             
     General Fund 1004                  $500,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cramer  addressed the multi-faceted research  project, a                                                                    
funded   primarily   through   National   Aeronautic   Space                                                                    
Association  (NASA).   The  mission  of  the project  is  to                                                                    
reduce aircraft related fatalities statewide.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:41:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cramer explained the following request item:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45205                                                                                                                  
     Anchorage Armory Roof Replacement                                                                                          
     Federal Receipts 1002              $2,000,000                                                                              
     General Fund Match 1003            $2,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that the  roof replacement  is needed.   Leaks                                                                    
are springing up throughout that  roof and the Department is                                                                    
concerned about the integrity of the fire retardant.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:42:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cramer referenced the third requested item:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     AP   #42900                                                                                                                
     Army Guard Facilities Projects                                                                                             
     Federal Receipts 1002              $750,000                                                                                
     General Fund Match 1003            $750,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He stated the  increment would be used  to address statewide                                                                    
armories in  96 varying locations.   The age of many  of the                                                                    
facilities is  over 30-years.   The  request is  an on-going                                                                    
deferred maintenance unmet concern.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:43:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cramer continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #43330                                                                                                                  
     Compliance Cleanup Site Restoration                                                                                        
     Federal Receipts 1002              $5,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He  noted  that  the  Department  has  identified  statewide                                                                    
approximately  $34  million  dollars  for  liability  armory                                                                    
issues.  The  project intends to identify  and then clean-up                                                                    
the buildings of greatest concern.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:43:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cramer continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45174                                                                                                                  
     Improved Communications for Emergency Response (ICER)                                                                      
     Federal Receipts 1002              $3,200,000                                                                              
     General Fund Match 1003            $  800,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cramer advised  that the State has been  notified by the                                                                    
U.S. Congressional  delegation of  a new  emergency response                                                                    
grant program.   The  intent of that  program is  to provide                                                                    
funding   for   building   upon   one-time   public   safety                                                                    
communications grant, insuring  implementation of the Alaska                                                                    
plan.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze asked  if there was an  incentive for the                                                                    
Anchorage's   Police  Department   to   get   on  the   same                                                                    
communication system as  the rest of the State.   Mr. Cramer                                                                    
acknowledged  that  are  many frequent  issues  within  that                                                                    
system;  he  thought  the system  had  been  technologically                                                                    
modified.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:46:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cramer highlighted the following request:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     AP #35774                                                                                                                  
     Military Youth Academy Deferred Maintenance,                                                                               
          Renewal, and Replacement                                                                                              
     General Fund 1004                  $1,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He  commented that  at  Camp Carol  in  Ft. Richardson,  the                                                                    
military  youth  academy  occupies  twenty-three  buildings.                                                                    
The average life of those  buildings is about 35-years.  Two                                                                    
academies are run  through that system per year.   There are                                                                    
many inadequacies in those facilities.   The funding request                                                                    
would be used  to address basic life safety  issues in those                                                                    
locations, adding  that none of the  buildings currently are                                                                    
compliant with the Americans with Disability  Act (ADA).                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:47:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cramer continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #42898                                                                                                                  
     National Guard Counterdrug Support Program                                                                                 
     Federal Receipts 1002              $100,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He stated that  the Department is one of  many agencies that                                                                    
participate  in   the  above   mentioned  program   and  the                                                                    
Department  is attempting  to work  to deprive  criminals of                                                                    
profit  and proceeds  resulting  from the  sales of  illegal                                                                    
drug activity.  He added  that the Department does receive a                                                                    
share of those proceeds.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  interjected  that  any  item  100%  federal                                                                    
receipts does not need to be explained.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:48:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cramer pointed out the following request item:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     AP #42901                                                                                                                  
     State Homeland Security Grant Program                                                                                      
     Federal Receipts 1002              $9,500,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He noted it is additionally a total federal program.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     AP #AMD45547                                                                                                               
     Alaska Military Youth Academy  Building Repair                                                                             
      and Compliance and Emergency Equipment                                                                                    
     Federal Receipts 1002              $1,769,915                                                                              
    Alaska Cap Inc. 1197                    $6,142,000                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Cramer stated  that the  request provides  for multiple                                                                    
projects,  which  he  offered  to review.    Co-Chair  Meyer                                                                    
noticed  that  the  requests   were  allocations  and  asked                                                                    
members to decide if they had questions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
AT-EASE:       3:50:12 PM                                                                                                     
RECONVENE:          4:01:04 PM                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ARNOLD  LIEBELT,  FACILITIES  SECTION CHIEF,  DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                    
HEALTH AND  SOCIAL SERVICES, noted  that he  would introduce                                                                    
the  capital budget  requests put  forth by  the Department.                                                                    
He distributed  a handout of  the power  point presentation.                                                                    
(Copy  of  File).   The  mission  of  the Department  is  to                                                                    
promote  &  protect  the  health   and  well  being  of  all                                                                    
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
STEVE   MCCOMB,  ACTING   DIRECTOR,  DIVISION   OF  JUVENILE                                                                    
JUSTICE,   DEPARTMENT  OF   HEALTH   AND  SOCIAL   SERVICES,                                                                    
(testified via  teleconference), indicated he  was available                                                                    
to further explain the first request of the Department.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Liebelt listed that request:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     AP #41336                                                                                                                  
     McLaughlin Youth Center Renovation to meet Safety                                                                          
          And Security Needs, Phase 1                                                                                           
     General Fund 1004                  $19,503,700                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Liebelt referenced  Pages 2 - 4.  He  noted that counsel                                                                    
determined  the  safety  issues at  the  four  oldest  youth                                                                    
facilities  throughout   the  State,   including  Fairbanks,                                                                    
Bethel, Johnson Youth Center &  the McLaughlin Youth Center.                                                                    
Through various  findings, the Division  has put  together a                                                                    
six-year  plan on  how  best  to address  the  issues.   The                                                                    
highest  priority  on  that list  is  the  McLaughlin  Youth                                                                    
Center, the oldest facility, which  was constructed in 1967.                                                                    
He  highlighted the  first phase,  which would  not increase                                                                    
the facilities bed capacity.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:05:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  referenced  the entire  building  expansion                                                                    
location  and wondered  if the  McLaughlin Youth  Center was                                                                    
situated in  the best  location.  Mr.  Liebelt said  it was.                                                                    
He deferred to Mr. McComb.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. McComb  elaborated that the  proximity was  good because                                                                    
it is close to the  Anchorage Police department and close to                                                                    
the  bus  station  in  order  that  parents  can  visit  the                                                                    
facility.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Chenault  questioned   if  new   beds  would   be                                                                    
constructed during Phase 1.   Mr. Liebelt responded that the                                                                    
twenty-five  new beds  would be  replacing only  dilapidated                                                                    
old beds.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault asked the capacity  of that facility.  Mr.                                                                    
McComb replied 160 beds.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  asked about  the plans  for Phases  2, 3,                                                                    
and 4.   Mr.  McComb commented it  is important  to remember                                                                    
that  the upgrades  would be  for all  statewide facilities.                                                                    
He added that each project would be stand-alone.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:09:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Chenault  inquired   about  funding   allocations                                                                    
directed toward the  projects.  Mr. Liebelt  stated that the                                                                    
numbers  and   schedules  had   been  submitted   by  design                                                                    
consultants; however,  the McLaughlin  Youth Center  was the                                                                    
only one included in the Governor's request.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker mentioned  the   truth in  budgeting                                                                     
recommendations, commenting that  the Department's long-term                                                                    
project was a good approach and a job well done.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule questioned  the impact  to the  Juneau                                                                    
Youth  Center,  which initially  had  been  included in  the                                                                    
Phase  1  request.    Mr.   Liebelt  speculated  on  several                                                                    
possibilities,  which is  now taking  the Division  "back to                                                                    
the drawing  board".   He did  not know  what to  expect for                                                                    
next year.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker proposed  that the  Committee take  a                                                                    
serious look  at the  request for  the youth  facilities and                                                                    
the proposals  put forward by  the Department of  Justice as                                                                    
versus the recommendation of the Governor.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:15:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault directed comments  to the immensity of the                                                                    
problem, noting  that the  proposal was a  six year  plan in                                                                    
the amount of a $170 million dollar request.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule commented on  the number of laws passed                                                                    
that impact the youth criminal justice centers.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Gara  shared   perspective   that  he   had                                                                    
personally visited  the McLaughlin Youth Center,  noting the                                                                    
national recognition  for the reduced recidivism  rates from                                                                    
that facility.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:16:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Liebelt continued:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45177                                                                                                                  
     Sitka Pioneer Home Roof Replacement                                                                                        
     General Fund 1004                  $1,900,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He  clarified that  the  Sitka Pioneer  Home  is the  oldest                                                                    
facility   that   the    Department   is   responsible   for                                                                    
maintaining,  which  was constructed  in  1933.   It  has  a                                                                    
unique terra  cotta roofing style,  which has  lasted nearly                                                                    
75-years.   The job  will be  labor intensive,  removing all                                                                    
the tiles  and repairing the  rot damage and  then replacing                                                                    
tiles where necessary.   The roof has been  patched over the                                                                    
last several years and now needs to be replaced.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker pointed  out  that  the current  roof                                                                    
lasted 73 years.   Mr. Liebelt elaborated  the advantages of                                                                    
a  terra  cotta  tile  roof;  however,  the  problems  exist                                                                    
because  of the  excessive amount  of rainfall  in Southeast                                                                    
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Liebelt highlighted the following project:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     AP #AMD45641                                                                                                               
     Alaska DHSS Deferred Maintenance, Renovation,                                                                              
          Repair, and Equipment                                                                                                 
     Federal Receipts 1002              $   81,600                                                                              
     Alaska Cap Inc                     $7,110,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He commented that  there had been an  amendment proposed for                                                                    
that  amount,  changing  it from  the  Alaska  Student  Loan                                                                    
Corporation  (ASLC)  to  the   Alaska  Capital  Income  Fund                                                                    
(ACIF).    He referenced  Page 6 of the  handout, indicating                                                                    
various allocations of funds and facilities.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  referenced Item #25, the  Sitka Pioneer Home                                                                    
and asked  if that could  be combined with the  Pioneer Home                                                                    
roof  project.    Mr.  Liebelt   responded  that  those  two                                                                    
categories need to be kept separate.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault   inquired  if  most  of   the  requested                                                                    
allocations  would  be  used for  roof  replacements.    Mr.                                                                    
Liebelt  responded  there are  not  that  many roof  repairs                                                                    
needed,  but rather  deferred  maintenance  issues for  many                                                                    
facilities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  asked about the funding  source change to                                                                    
the Alaska Capital  Income Fund and offered  to consult with                                                                    
the Office  of Management and  Budget (OMB) for  the correct                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:24:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Liebelt continued:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AP #31862                                                                                                                  
     Non-Pioneer Home Deferred Maintenance, Renovation,                                                                         
          Repair and Equipment                                                                                                  
     Federal Receipts 1002              $  7,600                                                                                
     General Fund Match 1003            $750,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He commented  that the  funds would be  used for  past work.                                                                    
Once the  Department received responsibility for  caring for                                                                    
the pioneer homes  several years ago, they  moved forward to                                                                    
address deferred  maintenance requests.   The  Pioneer Homes                                                                    
were moved into  the proposed bond package and  left with an                                                                    
additional  $750 thousand  dollars, in  which those  dollars                                                                    
could be used for non-pioneer home matters.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Liebelt addressed the following project request.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45404                                                                                                                  
     Federally Mandated Child & Family Services Review                                                                          
     Federal Receipts 1002              $ 48,300                                                                                
     General Fund Match 1003            $151,700                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
LAURA  BAKER,  BUDGET   CHIEF,  DIVISION  OF  ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                    
SERVICES, DEPARTMENT  OF HEALTH  AND SOCIAL  SERVICES, spoke                                                                    
to the  allocation for the  project request.  The  Office of                                                                    
Children's  Services  (OCS)  went under  federal  review  in                                                                    
2002-2004 and  the results found  a number of  states having                                                                    
to  go through  a second  round  of reviews;  that began  in                                                                    
2007.   Again, not  all states were  in compliance  in their                                                                    
efforts, consequently, there is  another review beginning in                                                                    
September 2008 for Alaska.   The request provides additional                                                                    
resources on a one time bases  to allow OCS staff to perform                                                                    
some of those tasks.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Liebelt continued:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AP   #32446                                                                                                                
    Safety & Support Equipment for Probation Officers,                                                                          
          Social Workers, and Pioneer Home Residents &                                                                          
Staff                                                                                                                           
     Federal Receipts 1002              $ 87,800                                                                                
     General Fund Match 1003            $399,700                                                                                
     General Fund 1004                  $350,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He explained that the request  addresses the equipment needs                                                                    
for  various   departmental  divisions.     He   listed  the                                                                    
distribution amounts  for each agency.   He pointed  out the                                                                    
worker's compensation cost data to reduce injury rates.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:30:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Liebelt added the following project request:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     AP #35721                                                                                                                  
     Information Services Security Enhancements                                                                                 
     Federal Receipts 1002              $1,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He pointed out it is 100% federally funded.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45182                                                                                                                  
     Craig Public Health Center Replacement                                                                                     
     General Fund Match 1003            $797,900                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The  City  of  Craig  just  completed  the  design  for  the                                                                    
construction of  a new community  facility that  would house                                                                    
offices  for the  City  and  the public  health  staff.   He                                                                    
admitted that the project could be one of high leveraging.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:31:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Liebelt continued:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AP #42837                                                                                                                  
     Emergency Medical Services Ambulances and                                                                                  
          Equipment Statewide-Match for Code Blue Project                                                                       
     General Fund Match 1003            $425,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He pointed  out that the  Department has requested  the same                                                                    
amount from  General Fund  match funds  for that  project in                                                                    
the past.   It is  also a  high leveraging project  and will                                                                    
purchase  ambulances and  other emergency  medical equipment                                                                    
needed in the rural communities.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:31:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Liebelt noted  that the  following three  projects have                                                                    
resulted from the Mental Health (MH) bill:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     AP #33672                                                                                                                  
     MH Essential Program Equipment                                                                                             
     General Fund / Mental Health 1037 $250,000                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The funds would be used  for a competitive grant program the                                                                    
Department  offers   annually  to  provide   basic  one-time                                                                    
equipment  for non-profit  agencies  providing services  for                                                                    
Trust beneficiaries across  the State.  In the  past, it has                                                                    
been a successful program.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     AP #33671                                                                                                                  
     MH Home Modification & Upgrades to Retain Housing                                                                          
     General Fund/Mental Health 1037    $250,000                                                                                
     MHTAAR 1092                        $250,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  that  the  project  has  been  successful  in                                                                    
serving Trust  beneficiaries.   The award can  be up  to $12                                                                    
thousand dollars for individual's  homes for improvements so                                                                    
that  they  can  live  more  independently,  having  greater                                                                    
access.  The award process would be competitive.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  asked if  the Alaska  Housing Finance                                                                    
Corporation   (AHFC)  weatherization   increment  had   been                                                                    
included  and  if it  would  be  duplicating dollars.    Mr.                                                                    
Liebelt deferred the question.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER KLEIN,  FACILITIES MANAGER,  DIVISION OF  FINANCE &                                                                    
MANAGEMENT   SERVICES,  FACILITIES   AND  PLANNING   OFFICE,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT  OF  HEALTH  AND  SOCIAL  SERVICES,  advised  the                                                                    
program could not be duplicated.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:35:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Liebelt proceeded:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AP #37901                                                                                                                  
    MH Treatment & Recovery Based Special Needs Housing                                                                         
     General Fund/Mental Health 1037    $250,000                                                                                
     MHTAAR 1092                        $250,000                                                                                
     AHFC Division 1139                 $250,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Liebelt  reported that  the  request  is also  a  grant                                                                    
program   for   agencies   to   develop   service   enriched                                                                    
transitional  housing  units  to support  recovery  for  the                                                                    
high-risk alcoholic population.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hawker  asked   if  any   funds  would   be                                                                    
duplicated.  Mr. Liebelt reiterated they would not.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hawker    noted    conflicting   testimony                                                                     
regarding that issue.  Mr.  Liebelt reiterated that services                                                                    
must  be kept  separate, acknowledging  that there  are some                                                                    
types  of  transitional  housing that  could  be  supported,                                                                    
which depends  upon custody issues  of those living  at that                                                                    
housing.  There  has to be a separation  between the service                                                                    
provided and the housing itself.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:37:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Liebelt addressed the following IT project requests:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     AP #42853                                                                                                                  
     Electronic Vital Record Registration System                                                                                
     General Fund 1004                  $3,724,500                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The funds  would be used  to replace the 20-year  old system                                                                    
currently in use.  The  old system is outdated and difficult                                                                    
to maintain.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Liebelt continued:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AP #42854                                                                                                                  
     Evaluate Eligibility Information System                                                                                    
          Alternatives, Phase 2                                                                                                 
     Federal Receipts 1002              $389,700                                                                                
     General Fund Match 1003            $389,700                                                                                
     General Fund 1004                  $ 84,900                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Liebelt  reported on  the  request  for  phase 2  of  a                                                                    
comprehensive  needs assessment  &  feasibility  study of  a                                                                    
system used  for upgrading and  replacing unit  existing 24-                                                                    
year old Evaluate Eligibility Information  (EIS) system.  He                                                                    
listed the programs  that the system supports.   The request                                                                    
does not replace the system,  but rather an investigation of                                                                    
the  best  way  to  replace  that system.    They  are  very                                                                    
expensive  to  purchase.   He  proposed  the possibility  of                                                                    
copying  another system  adopted  by a  different state  and                                                                    
then  making adjustments  to  that program  so  that it  can                                                                    
address Alaska's needs.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Chenault  inquired   the   estimated  costs   for                                                                    
replacement.  Mr. Liebelt did  not know, reiterating that it                                                                    
would  be high.    The  State of  Texas  spent $124  million                                                                    
dollars and it took 4 years to implement.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault inquired how  many additional phases would                                                                    
be  needed.   Mr.  Liebelt responded  that  the third  phase                                                                    
would be the actual request  for funding for the EIS system.                                                                    
In  response to  Co-Chair Chenault,  Mr. Liebelt  added that                                                                    
phase 1 would cost the  State about $662 thousand dollars in                                                                    
order  to  create a  project  team;  phase  2 would  be  the                                                                    
proposed  request, which  will determine  the direction  for                                                                    
the State to move forward.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Liebelt identified the following request item:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     AP #42856                                                                                                                  
     Eligibility Information System Maintenance                                                                                 
     Federal Receipts 1002              $163,400                                                                                
     General Fund Match 1003            $159,100                                                                                
     General Fund 1004                  $105,300                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He explained that the request  ties directly to the previous                                                                    
request.     Until  the  EIS   is  actually   replaced,  the                                                                    
Department  needs funding  to  maintain it.    A new  system                                                                    
would  not be  on  line  and operational  for  eight to  ten                                                                    
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule questioned  what would  happen if  the                                                                    
State does  not maintain  the current  system.   Mr. Liebelt                                                                    
warned there would be many ramifications.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ALLIE  FITZJARRALD,  ACTING  DIRECTOR,  DIVISION  OF  PUBLIC                                                                    
ASSISTANCE,  DEPARTMENT  OF   HEALTH  AND  SOCIAL  SERVICES,                                                                    
responded that  if the system  is not maintained,  the State                                                                    
risks loosing benefits  to the needy families.   The current                                                                    
system is old  and costly to maintain and is  not keeping up                                                                    
with  current business  needs.   Meeting  federal and  State                                                                    
requirements is becoming more and more difficult.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule  asked  if there  could  be  potential                                                                    
penalties.     Ms.  Fitzjarrald  reported  that   there  are                                                                    
penalties  associated with  not meeting  the court  required                                                                    
information for drawing federal match dollars.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Liebelt continued:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AP #42858                                                                                                                  
     Fraud Case Management System Replacement                                                                                   
     Federal Receipts 1002              $113,900                                                                                
     General Fund Match 1003            $110,900                                                                                
     General Fund 1004                  $ 73,400                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Liebelt  described the  project  which  would fund  the                                                                    
development  of a  new fraud  case management  system.   The                                                                    
existing  system  uses  a  Microsoft  data  base,  which  is                                                                    
outdated and unstable.   That system would  be replaced with                                                                    
a web-based system.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker asked  if the system would  be used by                                                                    
the  Department   or  another   source.     Ms.  Fitzjarrald                                                                    
responded that  it would be  used by the Division  of Public                                                                    
Assistance, Fraud Control Unit.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Liebelt listed the last project:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     AP #33443                                                                                                                  
     Emergency Medical Services-Emergency Communications                                                                        
     General Fund 1004                  $265,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Liebelt  stated that  the purpose of  the project  is to                                                                    
protect  the health  and safety  of Alaskans  by maintaining                                                                    
and  updating  the  emergency  response  systems  statewide,                                                                    
particularly in rural  Alaska.   There  are three components                                                                    
to funding the request:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   • Assessment of the repair needs;                                                                                            
   • Updating of the statewide Emergency Medical Services                                                                       
     (EMS) communications plan; and                                                                                             
   • Completion of the highest priority projects.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:48:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  commented on the need  for "front-end                                                                    
work" converting the  State's electronic management systems.                                                                    
He anticipated  over one billion  dollars in  projects being                                                                    
proposed; he  emphasized the need  for a ten-year  cash flow                                                                    
plan in place to understand the context of these decisions.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:50:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
JEFF  HOOVER, ADMINISTRATIVE  SERVICES MANAGER,  DIVISION OF                                                                    
ADMINISTRATIVE  SERVICES,  DEPARTMENT   OF  FISH  AND  GAME,                                                                    
advised that the Department's  projects had been prioritized                                                                    
in the proposed bill and listed in that order.  There are                                                                       
IT projects listed in the FY2009 request.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:51:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover described the first project:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     AP #43322                                                                                                                  
     Statewide Deferred Maintenance, Repair, Upgrades                                                                           
          and Equipment                                                                                                         
     General Fund 1004                  $1,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The  request  is an  annual  and  on-going need  to  provide                                                                    
repairs  and   maintenance  to  the   Department  facilities                                                                    
statewide, including vessel  and aircraft maintenance repair                                                                    
and purchase  of field equipment.   There are four  parts of                                                                    
the  request with  employees in  approximately 40  locations                                                                    
across the State.  The  maintenance is above and beyond that                                                                    
paid for out of the operating budget.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:53:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45363                                                                                                                  
     Power Backup for Genetics Laboratory                                                                                       
     General Fund 1004                  $100,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The   project   funds    the   engineering,   purchase   and                                                                    
installation of  generators for backing  up freezers  in the                                                                    
laboratory  in  case  of  an   electrical  power  outage  in                                                                    
Anchorage.  It  would be a one-time project  funding.  There                                                                    
are about 450,000 fish specimens,  currently located at that                                                                    
spot.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:54:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover outlined the following project:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45368                                                                                                                  
     Assessment of Pacific Salmon Resources in AYK                                                                              
          Northern Region                                                                                                       
     General Fund 1004                  $150,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He stated  that it would be  a phased project over  a couple                                                                    
years  with  the  purpose  of  the  study  to  evaluate  the                                                                    
distribution  and  abundance  of Pacific  salmon  in  Arctic                                                                    
fresh water north and east of Pt. Hope.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:54:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover noted that:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     AP #42948                                                                                                                  
     Fairbanks Regional Office Enclosed Secure Storage                                                                          
          Compound Design/Construction                                                                                          
     General Fund 1004                  $2,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The  project funds  the  design and  construction  of a  new                                                                    
storage  facility   within  the   existing  Fish   and  Game                                                                    
compound.     It  would  be   a  one-time   funded  project.                                                                    
Presently, there  is unsecured  storage around  the historic                                                                    
farm; over  the years, there  have been a number  of thefts.                                                                    
Currently, Risk  Management will not insure  the contents of                                                                    
the building.  The facility  would offer about 10,000 square                                                                    
feet of secured storage.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:56:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45381                                                                                                                  
     Subsistence Technical and Scientific Reporting                                                                             
          Integration into Department Database                                                                                  
     General Fund 1004                  $127,400                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The project  would add subsistence, fisheries  and wild life                                                                    
publications  into a  text  searchable  database, making  it                                                                    
easier to  locate the information.   It would be  a one-time                                                                    
request.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:57:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover identified the following request:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45369                                                                                                                  
     Kodiak Aircraft Hangar Upgrade                                                                                             
     General Fund 1004                  $225,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The  project funds  the design  & construction  expansion of                                                                    
the  commercial fisheries  hangar  in Kodiak.   The  current                                                                    
hangar is not  large enough.  The proposed  air hanger would                                                                    
house four aircraft and provide  storage.  The project would                                                                    
add 4,500 square feet to the existing building.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule asked if  the building would be heated.                                                                    
Mr. Hoover did not know.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault did not believe  that the proposed request                                                                    
amount could cover  the costs of design  and construction of                                                                    
that size building.   Mr. Hoover offered  to provide further                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:00:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover pointed out the following request:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     AP #42981                                                                                                                  
     Kodiak Near Island Facility                                                                                                
     General Fund 1004                  $2,000,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The project  would assist the  Kodiak Island Borough  in its                                                                    
efforts to move from the  design stage to constructing a new                                                                    
facility.  Currently, the Borough  has received $1.5 million                                                                    
dollars for  design.  The  Near Island sight is  adjacent to                                                                    
the   University  of   Alaska  and   National  Oceanic   and                                                                    
Atmospheric  Administration (NOAA)  Marine  Fisheries.   The                                                                  
Borough is seeking additional funding  from Exxon Valdez oil                                                                    
spill monies.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:01:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover discussed:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #44823                                                                                                                  
     Lower Kasilof Boat Launch                                                                                                  
     Federal Receipts 1002              $  750,000                                                                              
     General Fund 1004                  $1,250,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The  project funds  the purchase  of property  and design  &                                                                    
construction of  a public  access boat  launch at  3.5 Mile,                                                                    
Kasilof River.  It would be a phased-in project.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Discussion   occurred   between    Co-Chair   Chenault   and                                                                    
Representative  Thomas regarding  a  project  that had  been                                                                    
vetoed previously.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara questioned  a previous  requested item,                                                                    
wondering if Kodiak  had spent $1.5 million  dollars for the                                                                    
design  of  the $8  million  dollar  building.   Mr.  Hoover                                                                    
understood that the cost of  the building has been estimated                                                                    
to  be  around $13  million  dollars.   Representative  Gara                                                                    
questioned  the amount  spent on  the  actual design  plans.                                                                    
Mr. Hoover  remembered that they  had received  $1.5 million                                                                    
dollars,  which he  assumed had  been used  for design,  but                                                                    
perhaps  it also  covered  other expenses.    He offered  to                                                                    
research that information.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:05:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #44833                                                                                                                  
     Kanaiku Lake - Angoon Fish Ladder                                                                                          
     General Fund 1004                  $200,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He  stated that  the  funding would  be  one-time and  would                                                                    
provide  for  planning,  construction  and  elevation  of  a                                                                    
sockeye salmon fish pass near Kanaiku Lake close to Angoon.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  questioned if it  would be natural  or an                                                                    
enhancement.  Representative Thomas replied natural.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:06:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover outlined the following two request items:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     AP #33647                                                                                                                  
     Pacific Coastal Salmon Recovery Fund                                                                                       
     Federal Receipts 1002              $22,000,000                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45358                                                                                                                  
     Licensing Point of Sale System                                                                                             
     Fish/Game 1024                     $200,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He pointed out that the  Department is developing a point of                                                                    
sale  system so  that hunting  and fishing  licenses can  be                                                                    
sold  at major  vendors  and regional  offices.   The  above                                                                    
mentioned  request   would  provide  funds   for  purchasing                                                                    
equipment  &  terminals  for   those  vendors  and  regional                                                                    
offices.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze commented that  the expenditure would not                                                                    
be spent  in Interior  Alaska as  they have  only 7%  of the                                                                    
licenses.  Mr.  Hoover offered to provide a list  of the top                                                                    
35 vendors.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault questioned if  the purchase of the license                                                                    
would be  overseen by each  vendor.  Mr. Hoover  affirmed it                                                                    
would and  that they would  receive a percentage cut  of the                                                                    
license  sales.    Co-Chair Chenault  wanted  to  know  that                                                                    
purchases would be checked.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:09:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45374                                                                                                                  
     Crew Member Fishing Participation Database                                                                                 
          Design / Development                                                                                                  
     Fish/Game 1024                     $150,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The project  would provide funds  for the development  of an                                                                    
electronic system for  collection, maintaining and reporting                                                                    
commercial fishing  activities for  crew members.   It would                                                                    
be a one-time project funding.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:09:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover discussed the following request item:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     AP #31317                                                                                                                  
     Juneau Hunter Education Indoor                                                                                             
          Shooting Range Completion                                                                                             
     Fish/Game 1024                     $150,000                                                                                
     Statutory Designated 1108               $188,000                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The project  would allow  for the  completion of  the Juneau                                                                    
shooting range  constructed in  2004.  This  would be  a one                                                                    
time project  funding.  The  Department is working  with the                                                                    
City and  Borough of  Juneau (CBJ)  to complete  the archery                                                                    
portion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze recalled  in  the past  that Juneau  had                                                                    
attempted  to determine  how to  spend their  crew ship  tax                                                                    
dollars and wondered if those  funds could be partially used                                                                    
on  the rifle  range.   Mr.  Hoover responded  that CBJ  did                                                                    
assist the Department in efforts at the rifle range.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault  referenced   operating  and  maintenance                                                                    
costs  and  asked if  the  State  had placed  $100  thousand                                                                    
dollars into  the rifle  range each year.   Mr.  Hoover said                                                                    
yes.  Co-Chair Chenault  requested the yearly dollar numbers                                                                    
associated with statewide shooting  range expenditures.  Mr.                                                                    
Hoover agreed.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:12:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45220                                                                                                                  
     Birch Lake Weir Site Land Acquisition                                                                                      
     Federal Receipts 1002              $150,000                                                                                
     Fish/Game 1024                     $ 50,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The funding would  allow the appraisal and  land purchase of                                                                    
the Birch Lake weir.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault inquired  if the  State would  be manning                                                                    
the weir  project.   Mr. Hoover replied  they would  and has                                                                    
been operated by the Department since 1952.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze  surmised  that   there  are  many  weir                                                                    
projects, placing pressure on  other statewide projects.  He                                                                    
worried about project needs being met in the Valley.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHARLES   SWANTON,  DIRECTOR,   DIVISION   OF  SPORT   FISH,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF FISH  AND GAME, clarified that  the Birch Lake                                                                    
weir  is  not  a  manned weir  but  rather  an  electrically                                                                    
operated  drum  weir  for  the   purposes  of  cleaning  and                                                                    
maintaining the water level at Birch Lake.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault surmised  that  the  Department would  be                                                                    
purchasing  that  Mental Health  Trust  land.   Mr.  Swanton                                                                    
replied yes.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:14:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover proceeded:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45215                                                                                                                  
     Whittier Harbor Transient Moorage                                                                                          
          Boating Infrastructure Grant (BIG) Tier II                                                                            
     Federal Receipts 1002              $1,500,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:15:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #30432                                                                                                                  
     Sport Fish Recreational Boating Access                                                                                     
     Federal Receipts 1002              $2,325,000                                                                              
     Fish/Game 1024                     $  775,000                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  that the  request  was  an on  going,  annual                                                                    
request  of mixed  federal receipts  and matched  with funds                                                                    
from the  Department of Fish and  Game.  The funds  would be                                                                    
used to  assist and  upgrade boating  and sport  fish access                                                                    
statewide.    The  bidding  for those  dollars  would  be  a                                                                    
competitive process.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  asked if  there was  a list  available of                                                                    
the recipients.  Mr. Hoover offered to provide it.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:16:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover concluded:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     AP #45482                                                                                                                  
     Statewide Facility Deferred Maintenance                                                                                    
          Bonding Projects                                                                                                      
    AK Cap Inc 1197                         $1,900,000                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He  pointed out  that the  request was  originally submitted                                                                    
for funding  by the Alaska Student  Loan Corporation bonding                                                                    
receipts.  The amendment changed  the funding source.  There                                                                    
are four pieces of it, which are usually one-time projects:                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   • Tok compound replacement                                                                                                   
   • Bunk house replacement                                                                                                     
   • Statewide roofing and siding replacement projects                                                                          
   • Field camp housing replacements                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Hoover  mentioned   the  requests   included  in   the                                                                    
Department's language section:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     AP #42983                                                                                                                  
     Language Sport Fisheries Hatchery Construction                                                                             
          Investment Earnings                                                                                                   
     AK Capital Inc.                         $6,000,000                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He stated that  the funds would allow sport  fish to utilize                                                                    
the investment  earnings the Alaska Sport  Fish Construction                                                                    
account for hatcheries.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hoover listed the final project:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     AP AMD#45688                                                                                                               
     Installation of Capstone Avionics for Wildlife                                                                             
          Conservation Aircraft                                                                                                 
     General Fund 1004                  $125,000                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The  project would  be a  one-time funding  and the  Federal                                                                    
Aviation  Administration (FAA)  would provide  the necessary                                                                    
equipment.  The dollars would  be used to equip those planes                                                                    
for better safety reasons.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HB 311 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 5:20 P.M.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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